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href='http://dangerousidea2.blogspot.com/feeds/posts/default'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/38436816/posts/default?max-results=100'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://dangerousidea2.blogspot.com/'/><link rel='hub' href='http://pubsubhubbub.appspot.com/'/><link rel='next' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/38436816/posts/default?start-index=101&amp;max-results=100'/><author><name>Victor Reppert</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/10962948073162156902</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='29' height='32' src='http://bp1.blogger.com/_fbDbFJGRmD8/R9q9gPtFDhI/AAAAAAAAAB8/LZmw1YsTEtE/S220/reppert.jpg'/></author><generator version='7.00' 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Reppert</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/10962948073162156902</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='29' height='32' src='http://bp1.blogger.com/_fbDbFJGRmD8/R9q9gPtFDhI/AAAAAAAAAB8/LZmw1YsTEtE/S220/reppert.jpg'/></author><thr:total>2</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38436816.post-3573245866512337811</id><published>2011-04-20T22:35:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2011-04-20T22:35:17.972-07:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='the argument from mental causation'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='mental causation'/><title type='text'>Reply to Parsons on Mental Causation</title><content type='html'>&lt;h3 class="post-title"&gt;   &lt;a href="http://secularoutpost.infidels.org/2011/04/problem-with-metaphysical-naturalism.html#links" title="external link"&gt;   Parsons on Mental Causation   &lt;/a&gt;     &lt;/h3&gt;&lt;div class="post-body"&gt;            &lt;div&gt;       &lt;a href="http://secularoutpost.infidels.org/2011/04/problem-with-metaphysical-naturalism.html#links"&gt;The Secular Outpost: The Problem with Metaphysical Naturalism (According to Victor Reppert)&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;First, I do share Parsons' concern about getting definitions right. When  I deal with a naturalistic view, I offer an account of what that is  supposed to have in it, which includes the mechanistic character of the  base level, the causal closure of the base level, and the superveniece  of everything else on the base level. By mechanism I mean that we are  excluding from that base level four properties: intentionality, purpose,  first-person subjectivity, and normativity. Now someone might come  along and say that they have a view that doesn't fit these  characteristics but is still naturalistic in some sense, in which case  we'd have to look at their theory to see in what sense they're calling  it naturalistic and whether I think a version of the AFR can be advanced  against it. Here, I am going to assume that Parsons agrees with this  account, and move forward.&amp;nbsp; &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Looking at this post, it seems to me that there are a couple of issues  that we have to be careful about conflating. One of them is the claim  that some version of nonreductive materialism can meet the argument from  reason. In the combox, you get some discussion of that, and some  responses to some exchanges with Clayton Littlejohn. However, the  impression that I have had in discussion with Clayton is that he  believes that mental events qua mental events do cause other mental  states and physical states. Troubles with mental causation have been the  focus of some of Jaegwon Kim's criticisms of nonreductive materialism,  in particular the nonreductivism of Donald Davidson. Kim writes:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Davidson's anomalous monism fails to  do full justice to psychophysical  causation in which the mental qua  mental has any real causal role to  play. Consider Davidson's account:  whether or not a given event has a  mental description (optional  reading: whether or not it has a mental  characteristic) seems entirely  irrelevant to what causal relations it  enters into. Its causal powers  are wholly determined by the physical  description or characteristic  that holds for it; for it is under its  physical description that it may  be subsumed under a causal law.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Jaegwon Kim, "Epiphenomenal and Supervenient Causation" ch. 6 of &lt;i&gt;Supervenience and Mind&lt;/i&gt;, (Cambridge: Cambridge University Press, 1993) 106.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Now, of course, there can be a debate as to whether a case cam be made  for mental causation in a non-reductive materialist framework. I think  it can't. It's not that I don't think higher-level properties can be  causally relevant. They can be if the are configurational combinations  of physical states. If a bowling ball knocks all the pins down, this is  perfectly possible even though basic physics makes no reference to  bowling balls and pins. However, I take it if you add up the physical  states and know what words mean, you can't avoid the conclusion that the  bowling ball knocked down the pins. What I don't see is how you can add  up non-normative states and get normative states, how you can add up  non-intentional states and get intentional states, how you can add up  non-first-person states and get first-person states, or how you can add  up non-purposive states and get purposive states.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Science always prefers the most tractable accounts it can get.  Scientists are happy when they can analyze the movement of a bullet  through space, and determine what kind of impact it would have to make  given the speed at which it was traveling. But there is another type of  explanation that we might be interested in with respect to the bullet.  It was fired by someone who had some intention with respect to what he  wanted the bullet to do. Perhaps, he fired the bullet to kill his  mother-in-law, whom he believes to be the worst person he knows. That is  an agent-explanation, and as such is less tractable to science than a  ballistic explanation. However, it isn't a total mystery; we can  understand the person's motivations, and perhaps not find the action  totally unexpected. After all, we are talking about the motivations of a  fellow human. Now, as action might be the action of a superior being of  some kind, and there it is even less tractable. Still, I would not want  to call it a pseudo-explanation, because we can have some understanding  of a superior mind, even the mind of God.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But it is a natural impulse in science to want to analyze the world in  as tractable terms as possible, and hence we can understand why  materialism is appealing from the point of view of science. However, at  the same time, science described the activity of scientists in  mentalistic terms. Scientists gather evidence, they form hypotheses,  they perform logical and mathematical inferences, etc. It would indeed  undermine the scientific enterprise if these mentalistic explanations of  the behavior of scientists were simply untrue. Few people would be  materialists if it weren't appealing from a scientific standpoint, but  if mentalistic explanations are all false, then there are no scientists,  and therefore no science. So, some kind of explanatory compatibility  thesis must be defended by materialists. Scientists are, in the last  analysis physical beings whose actions can be fully explained at the  physical level as part of a closed mechanistic system, and their  rationality, such as it is, must be some supervening property that  emerges through evolution in a materialist world.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Parsons' strategy for establishing explanatory compatibility is  essentially the same as the one Elizabeth Anscombe, (not a naturalist  herself, but surely the most famous critic of C. S. Lewis's AFR). The  mentalistic explanations we need in order for science to be science are  compatible with materialism because those explanations aren't causal  explanations, while those offered by physics are causal explanations.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Now Parsons, like Anscombe, points out that there are compatible  explanations. Of course there are. For example, if we ask why the  soda-can is sitting on the bookshelf, I might say "Because I put it  there yesterday, since I am planning on recycling it," or "because it  has a cylindrical shape, and is sitting on its base." But there are,  certainly, incompatible explanations. Otherwise, there would be no hope  that scientific explanations could ever supplant religious explanations.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Parsons tries to establish the explanatory compatibility as follows,  using as an example Sam's acceptance of Krugman's arguments that the  Ryan budget is a recipe for disaster.&amp;nbsp; &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;span style="line-height: 115%;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"&gt;When  we  say that Sam was convinced by Krugman’s arguments it seems to me   perverse to attribute some very (I think in-principally) mysterious kind   of causal power to the sense or propositional content of Krugman’s   arguments.  Attributing causal powers to Fregean Sinn (meaning),  if  this is what Victor wants to assert, just seems to me a  straightforward  category mistake.  It is like saying that the set of all  integers  broke the deadlock between NFL players and owners.  No, to say  that Sam  was convinced by Krugman’s arguments means that Sam considered   Krugman’s claims, examined the supporting reasons, weighed them in the   light of prior knowledge and norms of good reasoning, and judged that   these were persuasive.  However, considering Krugman’s claims, examining   the supporting arguments, evaluating them, and judging them to be   persuasive are things that Sam does with his brain, and happenings in   Sam’s brain, being physical events, can cause things.&amp;nbsp;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Well, if Sam's considering and accepting Krugman's arguments is a brain  process, it looks like we are going to end up attributing properties to  Sam's brain that are going to violate the causal closure of the  physical. If Sam finds Krugman's arguments persuasive, one of the things  he has to be persuaded by is the logical connection between the  Krugman's premises and his conclusions. To be aware of something is to  be causally influenced by it. So, yes, my awareness of a stop sign  causes me to stop, not the stop sign itself. If I don't see the sign,  I'll barrel right through. But, the stop sign has to cause my awareness  of the stop sign. And if the physical is causally closed, then  everything that I am aware of has to be also physical, and by physical I  take it we mean that it has a particular location in space and time. A  logical relationship has no particular location in space and time, and  so if I am aware of a logical relationship, and that logical  relationship affects my brain, then the causal closure of the physical  has been violated, because something that has no particular location in  space and time is bringing it about that I think certain things.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If I am aware that the cat is on the mat, then there is a causal  connection between the cat and my brain, which occurs within space and  time. If I am aware of the fact that, if a=b, and b=c and a=c, then in  order for this awareness to be fitted within the framework of a causally  closed physical order, that truth has to have a particular location in  space and time. But it has not particular location in space and time,  so, if the physical is closed, I can't be aware of it.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Explanations have ontological commitments. If I explain the existence of  presents under the Christmas tree by saying that Santa put them there,  then I commit myself to the existence of Santa. If I say I believe  something because I perceive a logical relationship, that means that  there are logical relationships. But where is this logical relationship  for me to be aware of?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I don't see that you really resolve the problem naturalism has with  rational inference by denying the causal character of these  explanations.&lt;div class="blogger-labels"&gt;Labels: &lt;a href="http://dangerousidea.blogspot.com/search/label/argument%20from%20mental%20causation" rel="tag"&gt;argument from mental causation&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href="http://dangerousidea.blogspot.com/search/label/argument%20from%20reason" rel="tag"&gt;argument from reason&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href="http://dangerousidea.blogspot.com/search/label/Keith%20Parsons" rel="tag"&gt;Keith Parsons&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href="http://dangerousidea.blogspot.com/search/label/the%20argument%20from%20reason" rel="tag"&gt;the argument from reason&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/38436816-3573245866512337811?l=dangerousidea2.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='related' href='http://dangerousidea.blogspot.com/2011/04/parsons-on-mental-causation.html' title='Reply to Parsons on Mental Causation'/><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://dangerousidea2.blogspot.com/feeds/3573245866512337811/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=38436816&amp;postID=3573245866512337811' title='3 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/38436816/posts/default/3573245866512337811'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/38436816/posts/default/3573245866512337811'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://dangerousidea2.blogspot.com/2011/04/reply-to-parsons-on-mental-causation.html' title='Reply to Parsons on Mental Causation'/><author><name>Victor Reppert</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/10962948073162156902</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='29' height='32' src='http://bp1.blogger.com/_fbDbFJGRmD8/R9q9gPtFDhI/AAAAAAAAAB8/LZmw1YsTEtE/S220/reppert.jpg'/></author><thr:total>3</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38436816.post-6748501290996604496</id><published>2011-04-15T18:04:00.001-07:00</published><updated>2011-04-15T18:05:54.189-07:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Dualism'/><title type='text'>From a Faith and Philosophy review of Soul, Body, and Survival: Essays on the Metaphysics of Human Persons ed. Kevin Corcoran</title><content type='html'>Jaegwon Kim’s essay “Lonely Souls: Causality and Substance Dualism” comes  from a philosopher who operates out of the physicalist tradition.   Unlike some in that tradition, however, he has been very serious about  pressing difficulties for otherwise popular forms of physicalism in the  area of mental causation. In this paper he presents some problems for  dualism in the area of mental causation.  He reconsiders the familiar  objection to Descartes’ dualism that dualism is untenable because we  cannot see how something nonphysical can interact with something  physical. As Kim points out, this is often presented with no or almost  no supporting argumentation. However, Kim does supply some argumentation  to put some meat on the bones of the familiar objection, by generating  what he calls the pairing problem. &lt;br /&gt;Kim maintains that a spatial framework is necessary for the existence of  a causal relationship amongst objects. If two rifles are fired and two  people are killed, what criteria would lead us to correctly pair the  causes and effects?  The answer, says Kim, is the spatial relationships  between deadly bullets and the victims. Kim also points out that lack of  a spatial relation between a suspect and the victim is often sufficient  to ground an alibi in a murder case.  But since souls are not spatial,  spatial pairing relationships between souls and matter cannot exist. Kim  considers the possibility that souls have spatial locations, but he  finds some difficulties with that idea as well, but he thinks this is  problematic as well. We need to locate souls at a particular point in  space, and claims that it would beg the question to locate the souls in  the brain. Second, he argues that to locate souls in space would require  that not more than one soul could occupy a location in space, that is,  something like the impenetrability of matter would have to obtain. But  he asks, if this is so, “why aren’t such souls just material objects,  albeit of a very special, and strange kind?”  And he thinks the soul  found in a geometrical point could not have a structure capable of  accounting for the rich mental life that humans have. Finally, he is  suspicious of any solutions to the problem dictated by “dualist  commitments.” He says   “We shouldn’t do philosophy by first deciding  what conclusions we want to prove, and then posit convenient entities  and premises to get us where we want to go.” &lt;br /&gt;First of all, it needs to be made clear just what it is for something to  be a material thing.  The book makes it evident that the concept of  “materiality” and “matter” need to be made clearer than they are. This  is especially imperative for Christians who want to go as far as  possible in accommodating their faith to “materialism.” Orthodox  materialism is a corollary of philosophical naturalism, and is typically  committed to at least this: that the physical order is causally closed,  and that whatever other states exist supervene on the physical; that  is, there cannot be a difference without a physical difference. But what  is more, physicalism is committed to the idea that the physical order  is mechanistic, that is, purposive explanations cannot be basic-level  explanations at the physical level. If the material is defined in this  way, then it seems to me that something could have a spatial location,  and it could also possess impenetrability, and still not be material in  the orthodox sense. It could still be the case that the mental is sui  generis and fundamental, and one of Foster’s dualist theses would still  be true.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/38436816-6748501290996604496?l=dangerousidea2.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://dangerousidea2.blogspot.com/feeds/6748501290996604496/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=38436816&amp;postID=6748501290996604496' title='2 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/38436816/posts/default/6748501290996604496'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/38436816/posts/default/6748501290996604496'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://dangerousidea2.blogspot.com/2011/04/from-faith-and-philosophy-review-of.html' title='From a Faith and Philosophy review of Soul, Body, and Survival: Essays on the Metaphysics of Human Persons ed. Kevin Corcoran'/><author><name>Victor Reppert</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/10962948073162156902</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='29' height='32' src='http://bp1.blogger.com/_fbDbFJGRmD8/R9q9gPtFDhI/AAAAAAAAAB8/LZmw1YsTEtE/S220/reppert.jpg'/></author><thr:total>2</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38436816.post-5533357123282215763</id><published>2011-04-15T18:03:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2011-04-15T18:03:32.276-07:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Naturalism'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Thomas Nagel'/><title type='text'>Gilbert Meilaender reviews Nagel's The Last Word</title><content type='html'>I believe that Thomas Nagel's The Last Word is really a defense of the  Argument from Reason that stops short of offering theism as the  conclusion. Nevertheless it does attack naturalism as we know it. The is  Lewis scholar Meilaender's review of Nagel's book.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/38436816-5533357123282215763?l=dangerousidea2.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='related' href='http://www.firstthings.com/article/2007/01/the-last-word-40' title='Gilbert Meilaender reviews Nagel&apos;s The Last Word'/><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://dangerousidea2.blogspot.com/feeds/5533357123282215763/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=38436816&amp;postID=5533357123282215763' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/38436816/posts/default/5533357123282215763'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/38436816/posts/default/5533357123282215763'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://dangerousidea2.blogspot.com/2011/04/gilbert-meilaender-reviews-nagels-last.html' title='Gilbert Meilaender reviews Nagel&apos;s The Last Word'/><author><name>Victor Reppert</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/10962948073162156902</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='29' height='32' src='http://bp1.blogger.com/_fbDbFJGRmD8/R9q9gPtFDhI/AAAAAAAAAB8/LZmw1YsTEtE/S220/reppert.jpg'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38436816.post-8098686179176679248</id><published>2010-05-04T13:14:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2010-05-04T13:14:21.920-07:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='causal theories of intentionality'/><title type='text'>Bees, used car salesmen, and misrepresentation</title><content type='html'>Something I did on DI2 on causal theories of reference. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Now if we are working on the level of simple representation, the perhaps some solution to the problem of misrepresentation can be generated. Let us consider, for example the case of bee dances. Bees perform dances which “represent” the positions of flowers in a garden. The bees, based on this information, go out to the garden only to find no flowers, because in the intervening time between the bees’ discovery of the flowers and the time when the bees performed the dance, a child had picked all the flowers and taken them indoors. We might be able to cash out this fact of misrepresentation in causal terms: there is a normal casual relationship between the bees’ dance and the location of pollinated flowers, so the bees represented flowers in that location, but the representation was incorrect, because the flowers had been picked in the meantime.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But other kinds of misrepresentation seem more difficult to deal with at the level of simple representation. Let’s consider the kind of misrepresentation that goes on in, say, a used car dealership. Can we really imagine a bee from a competing hive going “sneaking in,” giving a dance which would send the swarm of bees to a place where there are no pollinated flowers, in order to secure the real flowers for its own hive? This kind of misrepresentation seems to require that the fifth-columnist bee, like the used car dealer, know that the dance was misleading, in other words, understand what it is that their own dance and know that it was a misrepresentation. This seems to be beyond the capabilities of bees, and requires a radically different set of abilities. Can we account for the difference between being sincerely mistaken an lying in terms of causal relationships? I rather doubt it.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;There have, certainly, been causal theories of reference which have been advanced. But these do not suggest that causal relationships alone are sufficient to fix reference. Consider the following standard description of causal theories of reference.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This is the wikipedia account of the causal theory of reference&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;A name's referent is fixed by an original act of naming (also called a "dubbing" or, by Saul Kripke, an "initial baptism"), whereupon the name becomes a rigid designator of that object. later uses of the name succeed in referring to the referent by being linked to that original act via a causal chain.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In other words, what causation explains, according to this theory, is how references is transmitted once an initial act of naming, an intentional (both in the sense of being intended and in the sense of possessing “aboutness”) is performed. How such actions could be performed in the first place is accounted for in causal terms. It is true, that some have attempted to provide more radical accounts of reference which attempt to stay within the constraints imposed by physicalism; Devitt’s theories are a good example of this. However, I think this attempt has been shown to be a failure in Martin Rice’s essay “Why Devitt Can’t Name His Cat.”&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/38436816-8098686179176679248?l=dangerousidea2.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://dangerousidea2.blogspot.com/feeds/8098686179176679248/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=38436816&amp;postID=8098686179176679248' title='2 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/38436816/posts/default/8098686179176679248'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/38436816/posts/default/8098686179176679248'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://dangerousidea2.blogspot.com/2010/05/bees-used-car-salesmen-and.html' title='Bees, used car salesmen, and misrepresentation'/><author><name>Victor Reppert</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/10962948073162156902</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='29' height='32' src='http://bp1.blogger.com/_fbDbFJGRmD8/R9q9gPtFDhI/AAAAAAAAAB8/LZmw1YsTEtE/S220/reppert.jpg'/></author><thr:total>2</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38436816.post-1728020935379674629</id><published>2010-04-24T11:31:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2010-04-24T11:31:19.376-07:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='AFR'/><title type='text'>Reply to some questions from J on the AFR</title><content type='html'>&lt;em&gt;Why can't matter...think, or possess intentionality of some type, to varying degrees ? (widely varying). &lt;/em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The problem is that something can count as material only if, at the basic level, there is no intentionality, no purpose, no normativity, and no subjectivity. If you want to tamper with that definition of matter, be my guest, but that seems to be built into the very idea. Remember Dennett's "no skyhooks" rule? Yet, somehow the truths about thinking have to follow necessarily from truths about what by definition MUST be nonmental. Such entailments, in my view, are bound to break down logically. We can hide the breakdown in pages and pages of neuroscientific analysis, but at the end of the day there is no entailment, no metaphysical glue that binds the mental and the physical together. Whatever glue we come up with, if we analyze it closely enough, has to come from a mind of some sort, and materialism fails.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;em&gt;In comparison to say, ants, rats seem nearly conscious. &lt;/em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Which of the four relevant properties do they have, or do they lack them all? &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;em&gt;Does a rose bush think? It does know when to bloom... At least a rose follows a routine (even if genetically determined).&lt;/em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Does the thermostat in my house know how hot or cold it is? &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;em&gt;either way the mere fact of intentional processes--or consciousness-- does not suffice as proof of monotheism...&lt;/em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Monotheism is one of a few options left over once naturalism is eliminated. As Lewis recognized, it is not the only one.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/38436816-1728020935379674629?l=dangerousidea2.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://dangerousidea2.blogspot.com/feeds/1728020935379674629/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=38436816&amp;postID=1728020935379674629' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/38436816/posts/default/1728020935379674629'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/38436816/posts/default/1728020935379674629'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://dangerousidea2.blogspot.com/2010/04/reply-to-some-questions-from-j-on-afr.html' title='Reply to some questions from J on the AFR'/><author><name>Victor Reppert</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/10962948073162156902</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='29' height='32' src='http://bp1.blogger.com/_fbDbFJGRmD8/R9q9gPtFDhI/AAAAAAAAAB8/LZmw1YsTEtE/S220/reppert.jpg'/></author><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38436816.post-7372881606763618249</id><published>2010-04-23T18:10:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2010-04-23T18:10:15.893-07:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='the argument from mental causation'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='mental causation'/><title type='text'>On The Necessity of Mental Causation</title><content type='html'>This is from my reply to Keith Parsons in essay "Some Supernatural Reasons Why My Critics are Wrong" (a title that was given to my essay by someone else), in Philosophia Christi (Volume 5, no. 1, 2003). &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;em&gt;But think for a moment about what it is to be persuaded by an argument. If we are thinking in common-sense terms, we would hve to say that what goes one when we are persuaded by Parsons's argument that Arizona State will not be in the BCS this year is that we conisder the epistemic strength of the premises, the grounding relation between the premises and the conclusion, and then accept the conclusion as a result of conisdering the evidence presented in the argument. To be convinced by an argument is for the reasons presented in the to play a causal role in the production of the belief. If the argument is causally irrelevant to the belief, then we cannot say that the argument was persuasive. This can often be cashed out counterfactually: If I really am persuaded by Parsons's arugment, then it cannot be the case that I am such a partisan of the Arizona Wildcats that I would think the worst of the Sun Devils' prospects even if the Sun Devils had a Heisman trophy candidate at quarterback, oustanding and experienced running backs and wide receivers, a rock-solid offensive line, and was returning everyone from what had been the stingiest defense in the Pac-10 the previous year. &lt;/em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;On the one hand, the reasons have to persuade me in virtue of their being reasons. The logical force of the argument has to have a causal impact on belief. It has to make a difference as to whether I form the belief or fail to form the belief in question. And that, by the way, is bound to make a difference as to what I do with my body. I am going to behave differently if I think the Devils have a good chance to take the Pac-10 title than if I don't. And that is going to affect what the particles in the physical world do. But if the physical is causally closed, that means that only the physical can affect where the particles in the physical world go, and, the physical is defined as lacking, at the basic level of analysis, the central features of the mental. So the only way this kind of causal relation could possibly exist, would be if we could analyze the mental in physical terms as a kind of macro-state of the physical. Just as the word "planet" is absent from physical vocabulary, but a whole bunch of particle-states add up to there being a planet, perhaps "S's belief that P" can be added up from a set of physical states. But that seems to me to be just impossible. Add up the physical all you like, and you aren't going to get "S's belief that P." The physical leaves the mental indeterminate. Yet, if science is to be possible, is has to be determinate whether, for example, Einstein is plussing or quussing when he is adding numbers in the course of developing his theory. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So, I argue that you need mental causation for the possibility of science, but you can't get that without affirming what seems to be an implausible reductionism, that conflicts with the indeterminacy of the physical.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/38436816-7372881606763618249?l=dangerousidea2.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://dangerousidea2.blogspot.com/feeds/7372881606763618249/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=38436816&amp;postID=7372881606763618249' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/38436816/posts/default/7372881606763618249'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/38436816/posts/default/7372881606763618249'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://dangerousidea2.blogspot.com/2010/04/on-necessity-of-mental-causation.html' title='On The Necessity of Mental Causation'/><author><name>Victor Reppert</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/10962948073162156902</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='29' height='32' src='http://bp1.blogger.com/_fbDbFJGRmD8/R9q9gPtFDhI/AAAAAAAAAB8/LZmw1YsTEtE/S220/reppert.jpg'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38436816.post-9204430930409504081</id><published>2010-04-19T17:41:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2010-04-19T17:41:12.832-07:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='supervenience'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Moreland'/><title type='text'>J. P. Moreland on Supervenient physicalism</title><content type='html'>&lt;div class="MsoBodyTextIndent2"&gt;&lt;span lang="EN"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="MsoBodyTextIndent2"&gt;&lt;span lang="EN"&gt;Perhaps the supervenience theorist can simply accept the supervenience relation as an unexplained brute fact. However, as J. P. Moreland argues, this is also deeply problematic for the supervenience theorist: First, he highlights the claim made by supervenience theorist Terence Horgan that in a broadly materialist the truths of supervenience must be explainable rather than &lt;i&gt;sui generis&lt;/i&gt;. As Horgan points out, if there are going to be any brute unexplainable givens in a materialist universe it must be the the physical facts themselves, not some fact concerning inter-level supervenience.&lt;sup&gt;70&lt;/sup&gt; Second, the truth of supervenience does not look like something science could possibly have discovered, and so to accept supervenience as a brute fact would be to accept the idea that there are truths about the world that can be figured out by philosophical, rather than scietnfic means, and this is anathema to most contemporary naturalists.&lt;sup&gt;71 &lt;/sup&gt;Also, this position begs the question against people like Swinburne and Robert Adams, who maintain that the supervenience of the mind stands in need of a theistic explanation.&lt;sup&gt;72&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="MsoBodyTextIndent2"&gt;&lt;span lang="EN"&gt;Second, debate about just what kind of supervenience holds between physical and mental states is not a scientific question, and cannot be settle by scientific theorizing. Further, supervenience theory involves terms and concepts that are not the terms and concepts of natural science. As Moreland puts it: &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="MsoBodyTextIndent2" style="margin-left: 0.5in; text-indent: 0in;"&gt;&lt;span lang="EN"&gt;Naturalists criticize Cartesian dualism and its problem of interaction between radically different sorts of entities. In my view, the dualist has the resources to answer this problem because of her commitment to entities, relatiosn, and causation that go beyond those in the physical sciences. But the same cannot be said for naturalism, and what is sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander. Naturalists have the very same kind of problem that they claim as a difficulty for the Cartesian. And given the philosophical constraints that follow from accepting the naturalist epistemology, etiology, and ontolgy, it is more difficult to see how a naturalist could accept menta;/physical supervenience than it is to understand how a Cartesian without those constraints could accept mental/physical interaction.&lt;sup&gt;73&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;VR: This is based on J. P. Moreland's essay "Should a Naturalist be a Supervenient Physicalist?"&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/38436816-9204430930409504081?l=dangerousidea2.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://dangerousidea2.blogspot.com/feeds/9204430930409504081/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=38436816&amp;postID=9204430930409504081' title='3 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/38436816/posts/default/9204430930409504081'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/38436816/posts/default/9204430930409504081'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://dangerousidea2.blogspot.com/2007/12/j-p-moreland-on-supervenient.html' title='J. P. Moreland on Supervenient physicalism'/><author><name>Victor Reppert</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/10962948073162156902</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='29' height='32' src='http://bp1.blogger.com/_fbDbFJGRmD8/R9q9gPtFDhI/AAAAAAAAAB8/LZmw1YsTEtE/S220/reppert.jpg'/></author><thr:total>3</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38436816.post-116754000010494936</id><published>2010-03-29T16:22:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2010-03-29T16:22:59.897-07:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Searle'/><title type='text'>Searle on intentionality</title><content type='html'>A redated post.&amp;nbsp; &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Wednesday, July 19, 2006&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="" name="115336400424517795"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;From John Searle's Rediscovery of the Mind on physicalist reductions of intentionality&lt;br /&gt;So far no attempt at naturalizing content has produced an explanation (analysis, reduction) of intentional content that is even remotely plausible. ...A symptom that something is radically wrong with the project is that intentional notions are inherently normative. They set standards of truth, rationality, consistency, etc., and there is no way that these standards can be intrinsic to a system consisting entirely of brute, blind, nonintentional causal relations. There is no mean component to billiard ball causation. Darwinian biological attempts at naturalizing content try to avoid this problem by appealing to what they suppose is the inherently teleological [i.e., purposeful], normative character of biological evolution. But this is a very deep mistake. There is nothing normative or teleological about Darwinian evolution. Indeed, Darwin's major contribution was precisely to remove purpose, and teleology from evolution, and substitute for it purely natural forms of selection.5454 Searle, John, Rediscovery,. 50-51.&lt;br /&gt;posted by Victor Reppert @ &lt;a href="http://dangerousidea.blogspot.com/2006/07/from-john-searles-rediscovery-of-mind.html" title="permanent link"&gt;7:50 PM&lt;/a&gt;   &lt;a href="http://www.blogger.com/email-post.g?blogID=10584495&amp;amp;postID=115336400424517795" title="Email Post"&gt; &lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.blogger.com/post-edit.g?blogID=10584495&amp;amp;postID=115336400424517795&amp;amp;quickEdit=true" style="border-style: none;" title="Edit Post"&gt; &lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="" name="comments"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;1 Comments:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="" name="c115346250869325571"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;At &lt;a href="http://dangerousidea.blogspot.com/2006/07/from-john-searles-rediscovery-of-mind.html#c115346250869325571" title="comment permalink"&gt;11:15 PM&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href="http://www.blogger.com/profile/7246451" rel="nofollow"&gt;Blue Devil Knight&lt;/a&gt; said…&lt;br /&gt;Searle is led, by his logic, to the claim that statements in biology like "The function of the heart is to pump blood" are not objectively true. I don't think he has quite grasped that natural selection's teleology is not the teleology of the theist (where something is consciously guiding evolution). The teleology in evolution is blind, but pushes phenotypes to hills in fitness landscapes. That is, evolution solves optimization problems.Searle has some nutty claims. For instance, he believes in a causal but not ontological (whatever that is) reduction of consciousness to neuroscience. But, he adds, he thinks consciousness is just another biological property like bile production. But no other biological property is immune from 'ontological' reduction to the cellular level.&lt;a href="http://www.blogger.com/delete-comment.g?blogID=10584495&amp;amp;postID=115346250869325571" style="border-style: none;" title="Delete Comment"&gt; &lt;/a&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/38436816-116754000010494936?l=dangerousidea2.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://dangerousidea2.blogspot.com/feeds/116754000010494936/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=38436816&amp;postID=116754000010494936' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/38436816/posts/default/116754000010494936'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/38436816/posts/default/116754000010494936'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://dangerousidea2.blogspot.com/2006/12/searle-on-intentionality.html' title='Searle on intentionality'/><author><name>Victor Reppert</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/10962948073162156902</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='29' height='32' src='http://bp1.blogger.com/_fbDbFJGRmD8/R9q9gPtFDhI/AAAAAAAAAB8/LZmw1YsTEtE/S220/reppert.jpg'/></author><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38436816.post-116914223090235594</id><published>2010-01-19T15:57:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2010-01-19T17:17:03.780-08:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='possibility and necessity'/><title type='text'>Possibility and Necessity in arguments from reason</title><content type='html'>A redated post.&amp;nbsp; &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Steve Esser, who has in general been skeptical of the argument from reason, think that our ability to think in terms of necessity and possibility is something that is difficult to explain naturalistically. The idea might go like this: if our reasoning is based on an interaction with the environment, presumably the environment is actually in one state. How is it possible for us to think in terms of possibilities, if all we interact with is the actual world?&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/38436816-116914223090235594?l=dangerousidea2.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='related' href='http://guidetoreality.blogspot.com/2006/01/revisiting-design-and-reason-arguments.html' title='Possibility and Necessity in arguments from reason'/><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://dangerousidea2.blogspot.com/feeds/116914223090235594/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=38436816&amp;postID=116914223090235594' title='3 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/38436816/posts/default/116914223090235594'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/38436816/posts/default/116914223090235594'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://dangerousidea2.blogspot.com/2007/01/possibility-and-necessity-in-arguments.html' title='Possibility and Necessity in arguments from reason'/><author><name>Victor Reppert</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/10962948073162156902</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='29' height='32' src='http://bp1.blogger.com/_fbDbFJGRmD8/R9q9gPtFDhI/AAAAAAAAAB8/LZmw1YsTEtE/S220/reppert.jpg'/></author><thr:total>3</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38436816.post-8475555397873501941</id><published>2009-10-13T10:35:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2009-10-13T10:36:11.988-07:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='argument from reason'/><title type='text'>A simple statement of the argument from reason</title><content type='html'>&lt;span style="color: #333333; font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'; font-size: 13px; line-height: 18px;"&gt;You take all the physical descriptions and put them in the left-hand side of the equation. On that side, there can be no intentionality, normativity, subjectivity, or teleology. Add them together, and it looks as if they can't entail anything on the right hand side, the "mental" side of the equation, where we do find intentionality, normativity, subjectivity, and teleology. There is always room for indeterminacy, or, for that matter, room for zombies. The physical works just fine, but there's just no there there.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color: #333333; font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'; font-size: 13px; line-height: 18px;"&gt;&lt;br class="webkit-block-placeholder" /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color: #333333; font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'; font-size: 13px; line-height: 18px;"&gt;Yet the naturalist cannot deny that there is determinate reference. The arguments of the philosophers, the observational reports of the sciences, and the equations of the mathematicians must have determinate meanings. Otherwise, science is impossible, and the case for naturalism collapses.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color: #333333; font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'; font-size: 13px; line-height: 18px;"&gt;&lt;br class="webkit-block-placeholder" /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color: #333333; font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'; font-size: 13px; line-height: 18px;"&gt;Therefore, if naturalism is true, the very things that are supposed to support it, such as argument and reason, aren't real. Only in a universe where the marks of the mental are metaphysically fundamental are these things possible.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/38436816-8475555397873501941?l=dangerousidea2.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://dangerousidea2.blogspot.com/feeds/8475555397873501941/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=38436816&amp;postID=8475555397873501941' title='15 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/38436816/posts/default/8475555397873501941'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/38436816/posts/default/8475555397873501941'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://dangerousidea2.blogspot.com/2009/10/simple-statement-of-problem-of.html' title='A simple statement of the argument from reason'/><author><name>Victor Reppert</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/10962948073162156902</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='29' height='32' src='http://bp1.blogger.com/_fbDbFJGRmD8/R9q9gPtFDhI/AAAAAAAAAB8/LZmw1YsTEtE/S220/reppert.jpg'/></author><thr:total>15</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38436816.post-5504831380843481817</id><published>2009-10-10T18:23:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2009-10-10T18:24:32.401-07:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='externalism'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Hasker'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='argument from reason'/><title type='text'>Hasker on Ham-fisted empiricism</title><content type='html'>A redated post. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Ham-Fisted empricism: Hasker on externalism and the AFR&lt;br /&gt;It is of course true that a belief, in order to be justified, needs to have been formed and sustained by a reliable epistemic practice. But in the case of rational inference, what is the practice supposed to be. The reader is referred, once gain, to the description of a reasoning process given a paragraph back. Is this not, in fact, a reasonably accurate description of the way we actually view and experience the practice of rational inference and assessment/ It is furthermore, a description which enables us to understand why in many cases a practice is reliable—and why the reliability varies considerably depending on the specific character of the inference drawn and also on the logical capabilities of the epistemic subject. And on the other hand, isn’t it a severe distortion of our actual inferential practice to view the process of reasoning as taking place in a “black box,” as the externalist view in effect invites us to do? Epistemological externalism has its greatest plausibility in cases where the warrant for our beliefs depends crucially on matters not accessible to reflection—for instance, on the proper functioning of our sensory faculties. Rational inference, by contrast, is the paradigmatic example of a situation in which the factors relevant to warrant are accessible to reflection; for this reason, examples based on rational insight have always formed the prime examples for internalist epistemologies. There is also this question for the thoroughgoing externalist: How are we to satisfy ourselves as to which inferential practices are reliable? By hypothesis, we are precluded from appealing to rational insight to validate our conclusions about this. One might say that we have learned to distinguish good reasoning from bad reasoning, by noticing that good inference-patterns generally give rise to true conclusions, while bad inference-patterns often give rise to falsehood. (This of course assumes that our judgments about particular facts, especially facts revealed through sense perception, are not in question here—an assumption I will grant for the present). But this sort of “logical empiricism” is at best a very crude method for assessing the goodness of arguments. There are plenty of invalid arguments with true conclusions, and plenty of valid arguments with false conclusions. There are even good inductive arguments with all true premises in which the conclusions are false. There are just the distinctions which the science of logic exists to help us with; basing the science on the kind of ham-fisted empiricism described above is a hopeless enterprise. William Hasker, The Emergent Self (Cornell, 1999), pp. 74-75. From the chapter "Why the Physical Isn't Closed."&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/38436816-5504831380843481817?l=dangerousidea2.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://dangerousidea2.blogspot.com/feeds/5504831380843481817/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=38436816&amp;postID=5504831380843481817' title='2 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/38436816/posts/default/5504831380843481817'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/38436816/posts/default/5504831380843481817'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://dangerousidea2.blogspot.com/2007/07/hasker-on-ham-fisted-empiricism.html' title='Hasker on Ham-fisted empiricism'/><author><name>Victor Reppert</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/10962948073162156902</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='29' height='32' src='http://bp1.blogger.com/_fbDbFJGRmD8/R9q9gPtFDhI/AAAAAAAAAB8/LZmw1YsTEtE/S220/reppert.jpg'/></author><thr:total>2</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38436816.post-1637020179608244544</id><published>2009-06-26T19:45:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2009-06-26T19:48:45.094-07:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='scientific progress'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='C. S. Lewis'/><title type='text'>C. S. Lewis and the Empty Universe</title><content type='html'>A redated post.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This is a passage from C. S. Lewis's The Empty Universe, which was a introduction Lewis wrote to a book entitled A New Diagram of Heaven and Earth by a man named Harding. It parallels some of the comments I have been putting up on DI2 about the "siphoning off" argument is Swinburne and Feser.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;em&gt;The process whereby man has come to know the universe is from one point of view extremely complicated; from another it is alarmingly simple. We can observe a single one-way progression. At the outset the universe appears packed with will, intelligence, life, and positive qualities; every tree is a nymph and every planet a god. Man himself is akin to the gods. The advance gradually empties this rich and genial universe, first of its gods, then of its colours, smells, sounds and tastes, finally of solidity itself as solidity was originally imagined. As these items are taken from the world, they are transferred to the subjective side of the account:classified as out sensations, thoughts, images or emotions. The Subject becomes gorged, inflated, at the expense of the Object. But the matter does not rest there. The same method which has emptied the world now proceeds to empty ourselves. The masters of the method soon announce that we were just mistaken (and mistaken in much the same way) when we attributed “souls” or ‘selves” or “minds’ to human organisms, as when we attributed Dryads to the trees. Animism, apparently, begins at home. We, who have personified all other things, turn out to be ourselves mere personifications. Man is indeed akin to the gods, that is, he is no less phantasmal than they. Just as the Dryad is a “ghost,” an abbreviated symbol for certain verifiable facts about his behaviour: a symbol mistaken for a thing. And just as we have been broken of our bad habit of personifying trees, so we must now be broken of our habit of personifying men; a reform already effected in the political field. There never was a Subjective account into which we could transfer the items which the Subject had lost. There is no “consciousness” to contain, as images or private experiences, all the lost gods, colours, and concepts. Consciousness is “not the sort of noun that can be used that way.”&lt;/em&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/38436816-1637020179608244544?l=dangerousidea2.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://dangerousidea2.blogspot.com/feeds/1637020179608244544/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=38436816&amp;postID=1637020179608244544' title='2 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/38436816/posts/default/1637020179608244544'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/38436816/posts/default/1637020179608244544'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://dangerousidea2.blogspot.com/2007/08/this-is-passage-from-c.html' title='C. S. Lewis and the Empty Universe'/><author><name>Victor Reppert</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/10962948073162156902</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='29' height='32' src='http://bp1.blogger.com/_fbDbFJGRmD8/R9q9gPtFDhI/AAAAAAAAAB8/LZmw1YsTEtE/S220/reppert.jpg'/></author><thr:total>2</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38436816.post-221953934256765070</id><published>2009-06-21T18:38:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2009-06-21T18:39:22.265-07:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='physicalism'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='language'/><title type='text'>A review of Devitt and Sterelny</title><content type='html'>Kelley Ross argues that the phenomenon of language has anti-physicalist implications, which the authors treat dismissively.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/38436816-221953934256765070?l=dangerousidea2.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='related' href='http://www.friesian.com/naming.htm' title='A review of Devitt and Sterelny'/><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://dangerousidea2.blogspot.com/feeds/221953934256765070/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=38436816&amp;postID=221953934256765070' title='2 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/38436816/posts/default/221953934256765070'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/38436816/posts/default/221953934256765070'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://dangerousidea2.blogspot.com/2007/11/review-of-devitt-and-sterelny.html' title='A review of Devitt and Sterelny'/><author><name>Victor Reppert</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/10962948073162156902</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='29' height='32' src='http://bp1.blogger.com/_fbDbFJGRmD8/R9q9gPtFDhI/AAAAAAAAAB8/LZmw1YsTEtE/S220/reppert.jpg'/></author><thr:total>2</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38436816.post-116890354464096929</id><published>2009-06-16T19:30:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2009-06-17T19:30:51.254-07:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Balfour'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='evolutionary argument against naturalism'/><title type='text'>Balfour and the Evolutionary Argument Against Naturalism</title><content type='html'>A redated post.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This post is a repost of one I did a few months back on the Evolutionary Argument against Naturalism. Follow the link back and you can read the 38-comment debate it sparked.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Balfour and the Evolutionary Argument Against Naturalism&lt;br /&gt;The Argument from Reason did not originate with Lewis. Something like it can be traced all the way back to Plato, and Augustine had an argument that said that our knowledge of eternal and necessary truths. Descartes maintained that the higher rational processes of human beings could not be accounted for in materialistic terms, and while Kant denied that these considerations did not provide adequate proof of the immortality of the soul, he did think they were sufficient to rule out any materialist account of the mind. However, naturalism or materialism as a force in Western thought did not become really viable until the 1859, when Charles Darwin published the Origin of Species. The earliest post-Darwinian presentation of the Argument from Reason that I am familiar with, and one that bears a lot of similarities to Lewis’s argument, is found in Prime Minister Arthur Balfour’s The Foundations of Belief. Lewis never mentions The Foundations of Belief in his writings, but he does say in one place that Balfour’s subsequent book Theism and Humanism is “a book too little read.” According to Balfour the following claims follow from the “naturalistic creed.”1) My beliefs, in so far as they are the result of reasoning at all, are founded on premises produced in the last resort by the ‘collision of atoms.”2) Atoms, having no prejudices in favour of the truth, are as likely to turn out wrong premises as right ones; nay, more likely, inasmuch as truth is single and error manifold. 3) My premises, therefore, in the first place, and my conclusions in the second, are certainly untrustworthy, and probably false. Their falsity, moreover, is a kind which cannot be remedied; since any attempt to correct it must start from premises not suffering under the same defect. But no such premises exist. 4) Therefore, my opinion about the original causes which produced my premises, as it is an inference from them, partakes of their weakness; so that I cannot either securely doubt my own certainties or be certain about my own doubts. Balfour then considers a “Darwinian rebuttal, which claims that natural selection acting as a “kind of cosmic Inquisition, will repress any lapses from the standard of naturalistic orthodoxy. The point was made years later by Antony Flew as follows: [A]ll other things being equal and in the long run and with many dramatic exceptions, true beliefs about our environment tend to have some survival value. So it looks as if evolutionary biology and human history could provide some reasons for saying that it need no be a mere coincidence if a significant proportion of men’s beliefs about their environment are in face true. Simply because if that were not so they could not have survived long in that environment. As an analysis of the meaning of ‘truth’ the pragmatist idea that a true belief is one which is somehow advantageous to have will not do at all. Yet there is at least some contingent and non-coincidental connection between true beliefs, on the one hand, and the advantage, if it be an advantage, of survival, on the other.However, Balfour offers this reply to the evolutionary argument: But what an utterly inadequate basis for speculation we have here! We are to suppose that powers which were evolved in primitive man and his animal progenitors in order that they might kill with success and marry in security, are on that account fitted to explore the secrets of the universe. We are to suppose, that the fundamental beliefs on which these powers of reasoning are to be exercised reflect with sufficient precision remote aspects of reality, though they were produced in the main by physiological processes which date from a stage of development when the only curiosities which had to be satisfied were those of fear and those of hunger. Interestingly, Balfour’s argument here finds surprising support from Darwin himself. In a letter to William Graham Down, Darwin wrote: the horrid doubt always arises whether the convictions of man's mind, which has been developed from the mind of the lower animals, are of any value or at all trustworthy. Would any one trust in the convictions of a monkey's mind, if there are any convictions in such a mind? As can be seen Balfour’s presentation of the argument, and his consideration of counter-arguments, anticipated much of the debate on this issue that is still going on a century after his book was written.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/38436816-116890354464096929?l=dangerousidea2.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='related' href='http://dangerousidea.blogspot.com/2006/07/balfour-and-evolutionary-argument.html' title='Balfour and the Evolutionary Argument Against Naturalism'/><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://dangerousidea2.blogspot.com/feeds/116890354464096929/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=38436816&amp;postID=116890354464096929' title='5 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/38436816/posts/default/116890354464096929'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/38436816/posts/default/116890354464096929'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://dangerousidea2.blogspot.com/2007/01/balfour-and-evolutionary-argument.html' title='Balfour and the Evolutionary Argument Against Naturalism'/><author><name>Victor Reppert</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/10962948073162156902</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='29' height='32' src='http://bp1.blogger.com/_fbDbFJGRmD8/R9q9gPtFDhI/AAAAAAAAAB8/LZmw1YsTEtE/S220/reppert.jpg'/></author><thr:total>5</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38436816.post-2237271017199148683</id><published>2009-06-08T13:01:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2009-06-08T13:04:22.181-07:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Plantinga'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='evolutionary argument against naturalism'/><title type='text'>A brief critique of Plantinga's EAAN from Clayton Littlejohn</title><content type='html'>I found this in the combox of a very old post of mine, from 2005. I would like to see some discussion of it, pro and con. I am linking back to the initial post.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;em&gt;CL: In some discussions (I believe Plantinga's, but I don't have a text at hand), it is said that the probability that we would have reliable faculties given evolutionary theory and naturalism is either low or inscrutible. The argument for this is that selection pressures don't favor such faculties.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;em&gt; I think this overlooks something important--selection pressures operate on populations where organisms have various traits already. So while selection pressures might not favor certain things across the board (except perhaps things that confer survival value), selection pressure might favor reliability for certain creatures with certain features under specified conditions. We might argue that the probability of organism having reliable faculties (R) is low given evolution (E) and naturalism (N) but as we fill in further details of that organism, their continued survival may in fact show the conditional probability of R and this extra information on E and N is quite high. &lt;/em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;em&gt;So while we might be able to conceive of creatures who can survive without reliable ways of informing themselves about their surroundings, that is very very different from imagining how we might fluorish given our equipment, needs, and surroundings without reliable faculties.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/38436816-2237271017199148683?l=dangerousidea2.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='related' href='http://dangerousidea.blogspot.com/2005/07/argument-from-reliability-of-our.html' title='A brief critique of Plantinga&apos;s EAAN from Clayton Littlejohn'/><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://dangerousidea2.blogspot.com/feeds/2237271017199148683/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=38436816&amp;postID=2237271017199148683' title='3 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/38436816/posts/default/2237271017199148683'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/38436816/posts/default/2237271017199148683'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://dangerousidea2.blogspot.com/2009/06/brief-critique-of-plantingas-eaan-from.html' title='A brief critique of Plantinga&apos;s EAAN from Clayton Littlejohn'/><author><name>Victor Reppert</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/10962948073162156902</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='29' height='32' src='http://bp1.blogger.com/_fbDbFJGRmD8/R9q9gPtFDhI/AAAAAAAAAB8/LZmw1YsTEtE/S220/reppert.jpg'/></author><thr:total>3</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38436816.post-9042693185074751096</id><published>2009-06-03T17:13:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2009-06-03T17:16:16.793-07:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='C. S. Lewis'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Bertrand Russell'/><title type='text'>An early statement of Lewis's in response to Russellian Naturalism</title><content type='html'>&lt;em&gt;In his [Bertrand Russell’s] “Worship of a Free Man” I found a very clear and noble statement of what I myself believed a few years ago. But he does not face the real difficulty -- that our ideals are after all a natural product, facts with a relation to all other facts, and cannot survive the condemnation of the fact as a whole. The Promethean attitude would be tenable only if we were really members of some other whole outside the real whole: wh[ich] we’re not. (Saturday, 5 January, 1924; before he was a Christian)&lt;/em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The idea is that if you say the universe is bad, and the universe produced you and the very thought that the universe is bad, isn't your thought tainted at the source?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The link is to Jim Slagle's blog.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/38436816-9042693185074751096?l=dangerousidea2.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='related' href='http://agentintellect.blogspot.com/2008/04/some-shorter-statements-of-afr.html' title='An early statement of Lewis&apos;s in response to Russellian Naturalism'/><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://dangerousidea2.blogspot.com/feeds/9042693185074751096/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=38436816&amp;postID=9042693185074751096' title='13 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/38436816/posts/default/9042693185074751096'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/38436816/posts/default/9042693185074751096'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://dangerousidea2.blogspot.com/2009/06/early-statement-of-lewiss-in-response.html' title='An early statement of Lewis&apos;s in response to Russellian Naturalism'/><author><name>Victor Reppert</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/10962948073162156902</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='29' height='32' src='http://bp1.blogger.com/_fbDbFJGRmD8/R9q9gPtFDhI/AAAAAAAAAB8/LZmw1YsTEtE/S220/reppert.jpg'/></author><thr:total>13</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38436816.post-9222712961659978278</id><published>2009-06-03T17:10:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2009-06-03T17:11:46.998-07:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Balfour'/><title type='text'>Arthur Balfour's Dangerous Idea</title><content type='html'>Balfour is one of the early forefathers of the argument from reason, and we know that Lewis read and recommended Balfour. It was my dissertation advisor, Hugh Chandler, who discovered the connection between Balfour and the AFR, and later game me a copy of The Foundations of Belief he found in England. This post, by Jim Slagle, who wrote his master's thesis on the AFR, links to an online edition of Balfour's first philosophical book, A Defense of Philosophic Doubt, published in 1879, and my be the first post-Darwin version of the AFR to come out.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/38436816-9222712961659978278?l=dangerousidea2.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='related' href='http://bedejournal.blogspot.com/2009/05/arthur-balfours-dangerous-idea.html' title='Arthur Balfour&apos;s Dangerous Idea'/><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://dangerousidea2.blogspot.com/feeds/9222712961659978278/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=38436816&amp;postID=9222712961659978278' title='2 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/38436816/posts/default/9222712961659978278'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/38436816/posts/default/9222712961659978278'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://dangerousidea2.blogspot.com/2009/06/arthur-balfours-dangerous-idea.html' title='Arthur Balfour&apos;s Dangerous Idea'/><author><name>Victor Reppert</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/10962948073162156902</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='29' height='32' src='http://bp1.blogger.com/_fbDbFJGRmD8/R9q9gPtFDhI/AAAAAAAAAB8/LZmw1YsTEtE/S220/reppert.jpg'/></author><thr:total>2</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38436816.post-927627169402120151</id><published>2009-06-01T15:48:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2009-06-03T17:17:24.379-07:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='paraconsistent logics'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='principle of contradiction'/><title type='text'>A Stanford Entry on Contradiction</title><content type='html'>Horn seems opposed to dialethism.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/38436816-927627169402120151?l=dangerousidea2.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='related' href='http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/contradiction/' title='A Stanford Entry on Contradiction'/><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://dangerousidea2.blogspot.com/feeds/927627169402120151/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=38436816&amp;postID=927627169402120151' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/38436816/posts/default/927627169402120151'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/38436816/posts/default/927627169402120151'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://dangerousidea2.blogspot.com/2009/06/stanford-entry-on-contradiction.html' title='A Stanford Entry on Contradiction'/><author><name>Victor Reppert</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/10962948073162156902</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='29' height='32' src='http://bp1.blogger.com/_fbDbFJGRmD8/R9q9gPtFDhI/AAAAAAAAAB8/LZmw1YsTEtE/S220/reppert.jpg'/></author><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38436816.post-2002928546364520274</id><published>2009-04-06T23:18:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2009-04-05T23:18:23.717-07:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='C. S. Lewis'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='The Argument from Reason'/><title type='text'>Is scientific thought truncated?</title><content type='html'>From Chapter 6, Answers to Misgivings, in &lt;span style="FONT-STYLE: italic"&gt;C. S. Lewis's Miracles: A Preliminary Study&lt;/span&gt;, pp. 41-42.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;C. S. Lewis: &lt;span style="COLOR: rgb(153,51,153)"&gt;All these instances show that the fact which is in one respect the most obvious and primary fact, and through which alone you have access to all the other facts, maybe precisely the one that is most easily forgotten—forgotten not because it is some remote or abstruse but because it is so near and so obvious. And that is exactly how the Supernatural has been forgotten. The Naturalists have been engaged in thinking about Nature. They have not attended to the fact that they were thinking. The moment one attends to this it is obvious that one’s thinking cannot be a merely natural event, and that therefore something other than nature exists. The Supernatural is not remote and abstruse: it is a matter of daily and hourly experience, as intimate as breathing. Denial of it depends on a certain absent-mindedness. But this absent-mindedness is in no way surprising. You do not need—indeed you do not wish—to be always thinking about windows when you are looking at gardens or always thinking about eyes when you are reading. In the same way the proper procedure for all limited and particular inquiries is to ignore the fact of your own thinking, and concentrate on the object. It is only when you stand back from particular inquiries and try to form a complete philosophy that you must take it into account. For a complete philosophy must get in all the facts. In it you turn away from specialised or truncated thought to total thought: and one of the fact total thought must think about is Thinking itself. There is a tendency in the study of Nature to make us forget the most obvious fact of all. And since the Sixteenth Century, when Science was born, the minds of men have been increasingly turned outward to know Nature and to master her. They have been increasingly engaged on those specialized inquiries in which truncated thought is the correct method. It is therefore not in the least astonishing that they should have forgotten the evidence for the Supernatural. The deeply ingrained habit of truncated thought—what we call the “scientific” habit of mind—was indeed certain to lead to Naturalism, unless this tendency were continually corrected from some other source. But no other source was at hand, for during the same period men of science were becoming metaphysically and theologically uneducated.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;VR: This is an old post on the claim that scientific thought is truncated. I want to focus on that claim, rather than on the claim that if we think about our thinking, it is obvious that the AFR is correct. I am linking back to the original DI discussion.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/38436816-2002928546364520274?l=dangerousidea2.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='related' href='http://dangerousidea.blogspot.com/2006/10/is-scientific-thought-truncated.html' title='Is scientific thought truncated?'/><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://dangerousidea2.blogspot.com/feeds/2002928546364520274/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=38436816&amp;postID=2002928546364520274' title='22 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/38436816/posts/default/2002928546364520274'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/38436816/posts/default/2002928546364520274'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://dangerousidea2.blogspot.com/2007/08/is-scientific-thought-truncated.html' title='Is scientific thought truncated?'/><author><name>Victor Reppert</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/10962948073162156902</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='29' height='32' src='http://bp1.blogger.com/_fbDbFJGRmD8/R9q9gPtFDhI/AAAAAAAAAB8/LZmw1YsTEtE/S220/reppert.jpg'/></author><thr:total>22</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38436816.post-44197017497261152</id><published>2009-03-13T21:01:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2009-03-13T21:03:05.089-07:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Bayesianism'/><title type='text'>A Bayesian AFR</title><content type='html'>It seems to me that a version of the argument from reason confirms Bayesian-confirms theism even if a naturalistic explanation of the mind is perfectly possible.&lt;br /&gt;P(FE)=&lt;br /&gt;P(EF)P(F) over&lt;br /&gt;P(EF)P(F) + P(EF')P(F')&lt;br /&gt;E= Creaturely minds exist.&lt;br /&gt;F= The fundamental causes of the universe are mental in nature.&lt;br /&gt;F'= The fundamental causes of the universe are not mental in nature.&lt;br /&gt;Since we are trying to determine whether the argument confirms theism, we have to assume a subject that is on the fence between F and F'. In other words we have to assume that that F = .5.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Now, how likely is it that minds should exist on the assumption that the basic causes are mental. Pretty likely, it seems to me. If theism is true, then from what we know of ourselves as rational creatures, we should expect that a rational being in charge of everything would create rational beings with whom He or She could communicate. But what if God does not exist, and the basic causes were non-mental. How there can be minds is at best difficult and at most impossible to explain. A lot of things had to happen just right in the development of the human brain in order for reason to be possible, if it is even possible at all. It looks, therefore, like the existence of creaturely minds confirms theism even if we cannot show that, for example, dualism is true. The existence of creaturely reason, therefore, confirms the mental character of the universe.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/38436816-44197017497261152?l=dangerousidea2.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://dangerousidea2.blogspot.com/feeds/44197017497261152/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=38436816&amp;postID=44197017497261152' title='6 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/38436816/posts/default/44197017497261152'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/38436816/posts/default/44197017497261152'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://dangerousidea2.blogspot.com/2009/03/it-seems-to-me-that-version-of-argument.html' title='A Bayesian AFR'/><author><name>Victor Reppert</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/10962948073162156902</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='29' height='32' src='http://bp1.blogger.com/_fbDbFJGRmD8/R9q9gPtFDhI/AAAAAAAAAB8/LZmw1YsTEtE/S220/reppert.jpg'/></author><thr:total>6</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38436816.post-6619896903689450509</id><published>2009-03-07T21:05:00.001-08:00</published><updated>2009-03-10T19:21:10.584-07:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Searle'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Feser'/><title type='text'>Searle on the Computer Model of the mind</title><content type='html'>HT: &lt;a href="http://edwardfeser.blogspot.com/2009/03/searle-and-property-dualism.html"&gt;Edward Feser&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Feser considers this the definitive refutation of the computational theory of the mind. Do you think that Feser is right?&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/38436816-6619896903689450509?l=dangerousidea2.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='related' href='http://users.ecs.soton.ac.uk/harnad/Papers/Py104/searle.comp.html' title='Searle on the Computer Model of the mind'/><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://dangerousidea2.blogspot.com/feeds/6619896903689450509/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=38436816&amp;postID=6619896903689450509' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/38436816/posts/default/6619896903689450509'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/38436816/posts/default/6619896903689450509'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' 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rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='29' height='32' src='http://bp1.blogger.com/_fbDbFJGRmD8/R9q9gPtFDhI/AAAAAAAAAB8/LZmw1YsTEtE/S220/reppert.jpg'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38436816.post-1569736874552249838</id><published>2009-03-04T20:52:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2009-03-04T20:53:08.742-08:00</updated><title type='text'>Feser on why Searle really is a property dualist</title><content type='html'>&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/38436816-1569736874552249838?l=dangerousidea2.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='related' href='http://www.edwardfeser.com/unpublishedpapers/searle.html' title='Feser on why Searle really is a property dualist'/><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://dangerousidea2.blogspot.com/feeds/1569736874552249838/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=38436816&amp;postID=1569736874552249838' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/38436816/posts/default/1569736874552249838'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/38436816/posts/default/1569736874552249838'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://dangerousidea2.blogspot.com/2009/03/feser-on-why-searle-really-is-property.html' title='Feser on why Searle really is a property dualist'/><author><name>Victor Reppert</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/10962948073162156902</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='29' height='32' src='http://bp1.blogger.com/_fbDbFJGRmD8/R9q9gPtFDhI/AAAAAAAAAB8/LZmw1YsTEtE/S220/reppert.jpg'/></author><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38436816.post-1124389201959675077</id><published>2009-03-02T20:42:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2009-03-02T20:43:47.691-08:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Dennett'/><title type='text'>Lippard on Dennett at ASU</title><content type='html'>&lt;a href="http://lippard.blogspot.com/2009/02/daniel-dennett-at-asu.html"&gt;http://lippard.blogspot.com/2009/02/daniel-dennett-at-asu.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This is Jim Lippard's account of a Daniel Dennett presentation at ASU. I fear that whenever I read Dennett I get a lot of pro-science and pro-materialism bravado, a lot of interesting examples, but when I go looking for the argument, half the time I can't find it.It is interesting that Dennett uses the term mind-creationists, and applies that term not to people like me (whose existence I am sure he would not be willing to recognize), but to Fodor and Searle, both of whom are atheists, and neither of whom would dare draw the conclusion that a creator need apply. Of course Dennett is delighted to lump Turing resistant philosophers of mind, including atheists like Fodor and Searle, in with "creationists," which is a blanket term for those benighted enemies of reason who are blinkered by their religious fundamentalism into a literal interpretation of Genesis. So you get Fundamentalist Bible-thumpers and Young Earth Creationists = People who attribute anything to a Creator = People who think the mind isn't purely physical = People who think the mind has original intentionality. So Dennett's foes in the philosophy of mind are just like all those other creationists. If I were Fodor or Searle I would have a fit.Lippard writes;A few of the "mind-creationists" Dennett pointed out were Jerry Fodor and John Searle. Another is Victor Reppert, author of &lt;a href="http://www.amazon.com/C-S-Lewiss-Dangerous-Idea-Argument/dp/0830827323/jimlippardwebpaA"&gt;C.S. Lewis's Dangerous Idea: In Defense of the Argument from Reason&lt;/a&gt;, the main argument of which I criticized in a short paper ("Historical But Indistinguishable Differences: Some Notes on Victor Reppert's Paper," Philo vol. 2, no. 1, 1999, pp. 45-47). Reppert's position is that Turing machines don't actually do arithmetic, because they have no semantics, only syntax, and that you only get meaning through original intentionality of the sort that John Searle argues is an irreducible feature of the world. Computers only have semantics when we impute it to them. My argument was that if you have two possible worlds that are exactly alike, except that one was created by a top-down designer and one evolved, there's no reason to say that one has semantics and the other one doesn't--how they got to the point at which they have creatures with internal representations that stand in the right causal relationships to the external world doesn't make a difference to whether or not those representations actually refer and have meaning.Contrary to this, I maintain that reference and meaning have to be reference and meaning for some conscious agent who perceives and understands that meaning, and that a complete description of causal relations is going to leave the semantic states indeterminate.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/38436816-1124389201959675077?l=dangerousidea2.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://dangerousidea2.blogspot.com/feeds/1124389201959675077/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=38436816&amp;postID=1124389201959675077' title='5 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/38436816/posts/default/1124389201959675077'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/38436816/posts/default/1124389201959675077'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://dangerousidea2.blogspot.com/2009/03/httplippard.html' title='Lippard on Dennett at ASU'/><author><name>Victor Reppert</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/10962948073162156902</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='29' height='32' src='http://bp1.blogger.com/_fbDbFJGRmD8/R9q9gPtFDhI/AAAAAAAAAB8/LZmw1YsTEtE/S220/reppert.jpg'/></author><thr:total>5</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38436816.post-5278008949651743530</id><published>2009-02-20T15:51:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2009-02-20T15:53:15.123-08:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Hasker'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='causal closure'/><title type='text'>Wikipedia version of Hasker's Argument Against Causal Closure</title><content type='html'>&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;a. Human beings are rational to a significant (though highly imperfect) degree.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;b. If human beings are rational, there is an explanation for the fact that human beings are rational.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;c. There is an explanation for the fact that human beings are rational.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;d. If conscious experience is explanatorily irrelevant, there is no explanation for the fact that human beings are rational.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;e. Conscious experience is explanatorily relevant.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;f. If the physical realm is causally closed, conscious experience is explanatorily irrelevant.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;g. The physical realm is not causally closed.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/38436816-5278008949651743530?l=dangerousidea2.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://dangerousidea2.blogspot.com/feeds/5278008949651743530/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=38436816&amp;postID=5278008949651743530' title='8 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/38436816/posts/default/5278008949651743530'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/38436816/posts/default/5278008949651743530'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://dangerousidea2.blogspot.com/2009/02/wikipedia-version-of-haskers-argument.html' title='Wikipedia version of Hasker&apos;s Argument Against Causal Closure'/><author><name>Victor Reppert</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/10962948073162156902</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='29' height='32' src='http://bp1.blogger.com/_fbDbFJGRmD8/R9q9gPtFDhI/AAAAAAAAAB8/LZmw1YsTEtE/S220/reppert.jpg'/></author><thr:total>8</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38436816.post-5916274185156053955</id><published>2009-02-17T16:56:00.001-08:00</published><updated>2009-02-17T16:56:38.665-08:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='argument from intentionality'/><title type='text'>Bonjour's argument against physicalism from intentionality</title><content type='html'>&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/38436816-5916274185156053955?l=dangerousidea2.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='related' href='http://faculty.washington.edu/bonjour/Unpublished%20articles/MARTIAN.html' title='Bonjour&apos;s argument against physicalism from intentionality'/><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://dangerousidea2.blogspot.com/feeds/5916274185156053955/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=38436816&amp;postID=5916274185156053955' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/38436816/posts/default/5916274185156053955'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/38436816/posts/default/5916274185156053955'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://dangerousidea2.blogspot.com/2009/02/bonjours-argument-against-physicalism.html' title='Bonjour&apos;s argument against physicalism from intentionality'/><author><name>Victor Reppert</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/10962948073162156902</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='29' height='32' src='http://bp1.blogger.com/_fbDbFJGRmD8/R9q9gPtFDhI/AAAAAAAAAB8/LZmw1YsTEtE/S220/reppert.jpg'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38436816.post-7970845524941960038</id><published>2009-02-16T18:33:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2009-02-16T18:34:12.864-08:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='wikipedia'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='argument from reason'/><title type='text'>The Argument from Reason, Wikipedia Style</title><content type='html'>(1) For an &lt;a title="Assertion" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assertion"&gt;assertion&lt;/a&gt; to be capable of &lt;a title="Truth" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Truth"&gt;truth&lt;/a&gt; or &lt;a class="mw-redirect" title="Falsehood" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falsehood"&gt;falsehood&lt;/a&gt; it must come from a rational source (see explanation below).&lt;br /&gt;(2) No merely physical material or combination of merely physical materials constitute a rational source.&lt;br /&gt;(3) Therefore, no assertion that is true or false can come from a merely physical source.&lt;br /&gt;(4) The assertions of human minds are capable of truth or falsehood&lt;br /&gt;Conclusion: Therefore, human minds are not a merely physical source (see explanation below).&lt;br /&gt;The argument for the existence of God holds:&lt;br /&gt;(5) A being requires a rational process to assess the truth or falsehood of a claim (hereinafter, to be convinced by argument).&lt;br /&gt;(6) Therefore, if &lt;a class="mw-redirect" title="Humans" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humans"&gt;humans&lt;/a&gt; are able to be convinced by argument, their reasoning processes must have a rational source.&lt;br /&gt;(7) Therefore, considering element two above, if humans are able to be convinced by argument, their reasoning processes must have a non-physical (as well as rational) source.&lt;br /&gt;(8) Rationality cannot arise out of non-rationality. That is, no arrangement of non-rational materials creates a rational thing.&lt;br /&gt;(9) No being that begins to exist can be rational except through reliance, ultimately, on a rational being that did &lt;a title="Eternity" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eternity"&gt;not begin to exist&lt;/a&gt;. That is, rationality does not arise spontaneously from out of nothing but only from another rationality.&lt;br /&gt;(10) All humans began to exist at some point in time.&lt;br /&gt;(11) Therefore, if humans are able to be convinced by argument, there must be a necessary and rational being on which their rationality ultimately relies.&lt;br /&gt;Conclusion: This being we call God.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/38436816-7970845524941960038?l=dangerousidea2.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='related' href='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_reason' title='The Argument from Reason, Wikipedia Style'/><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://dangerousidea2.blogspot.com/feeds/7970845524941960038/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=38436816&amp;postID=7970845524941960038' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/38436816/posts/default/7970845524941960038'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/38436816/posts/default/7970845524941960038'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://dangerousidea2.blogspot.com/2009/02/argument-from-reason-wikipedia-style.html' title='The Argument from Reason, Wikipedia Style'/><author><name>Victor Reppert</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/10962948073162156902</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='29' height='32' src='http://bp1.blogger.com/_fbDbFJGRmD8/R9q9gPtFDhI/AAAAAAAAAB8/LZmw1YsTEtE/S220/reppert.jpg'/></author><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38436816.post-5214522701347234748</id><published>2009-01-31T10:19:00.001-08:00</published><updated>2009-01-31T10:20:31.702-08:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Dualism'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Feser'/><title type='text'>Ed Feser and the arguments for dualism</title><content type='html'>&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/38436816-5214522701347234748?l=dangerousidea2.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='related' href='http://edwardfeser.blogspot.com/2008/10/some-brief-arguments-for-dualism-part_29.html' title='Ed Feser and the arguments for dualism'/><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://dangerousidea2.blogspot.com/feeds/5214522701347234748/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=38436816&amp;postID=5214522701347234748' title='6 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/38436816/posts/default/5214522701347234748'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/38436816/posts/default/5214522701347234748'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://dangerousidea2.blogspot.com/2009/01/ed.html' title='Ed Feser and the arguments for dualism'/><author><name>Victor Reppert</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/10962948073162156902</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='29' height='32' src='http://bp1.blogger.com/_fbDbFJGRmD8/R9q9gPtFDhI/AAAAAAAAAB8/LZmw1YsTEtE/S220/reppert.jpg'/></author><thr:total>6</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38436816.post-4368882790447426710</id><published>2009-01-30T17:04:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2009-01-30T17:05:16.114-08:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Materialism'/><title type='text'>John Depoe's argument against materialism</title><content type='html'>A defense of an AFR-style argument. Hey, I'm back!&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/38436816-4368882790447426710?l=dangerousidea2.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='related' href='http://www.johndepoe.com/MindnotMechanism.pdf' title='John Depoe&apos;s argument against materialism'/><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://dangerousidea2.blogspot.com/feeds/4368882790447426710/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=38436816&amp;postID=4368882790447426710' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/38436816/posts/default/4368882790447426710'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/38436816/posts/default/4368882790447426710'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://dangerousidea2.blogspot.com/2009/01/john-depoes-argument-against.html' title='John Depoe&apos;s argument against materialism'/><author><name>Victor Reppert</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/10962948073162156902</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='29' height='32' src='http://bp1.blogger.com/_fbDbFJGRmD8/R9q9gPtFDhI/AAAAAAAAAB8/LZmw1YsTEtE/S220/reppert.jpg'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38436816.post-4555111285297044348</id><published>2008-11-30T18:15:00.001-08:00</published><updated>2008-11-30T18:15:37.161-08:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='James Ross'/><title type='text'>James Ross on Immaterial Aspects of Thought</title><content type='html'>&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/38436816-4555111285297044348?l=dangerousidea2.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='related' href='http://www.sas.upenn.edu/~jross/zchap6.htm' title='James Ross on Immaterial Aspects of Thought'/><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://dangerousidea2.blogspot.com/feeds/4555111285297044348/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=38436816&amp;postID=4555111285297044348' title='3 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/38436816/posts/default/4555111285297044348'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/38436816/posts/default/4555111285297044348'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://dangerousidea2.blogspot.com/2008/11/james-ross-on-immaterial-aspects-of.html' title='James Ross on Immaterial Aspects of Thought'/><author><name>Victor Reppert</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/10962948073162156902</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='29' height='32' src='http://bp1.blogger.com/_fbDbFJGRmD8/R9q9gPtFDhI/AAAAAAAAAB8/LZmw1YsTEtE/S220/reppert.jpg'/></author><thr:total>3</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38436816.post-5320053010156659324</id><published>2008-11-29T13:25:00.001-08:00</published><updated>2008-11-29T13:28:01.908-08:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='argument from the psychological relevance of logical laws'/><title type='text'>The argument from the psychological relevance of logical laws</title><content type='html'>IV. Argument from the Psychological Relevance of Logical Laws&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;My fourth argument concerned the role of logical laws in mental causation. In order for mental causation to be what we ordinarily suppose it to be, it is not only necessary that mental states be causally efficacious in virtue of their content, it is also necessary that the laws of logic be relevant to the production of the conclusion. That is, if we conclude “Socrates is mortal” from “All men are mortal” and “Socrates is a man, then no only must we understand the meanings of those expressions, and these meanings must play a central role in the performance of these inferences, but what Lewis call the ground-and-consequent relationship between the propositions must also play a central role in these rational inferences. We must know that the argument is structured in such a way that in arguments of that form the conclusion always follows from the premises. We do not simply know something that is the case at one moment in time, but we know something that must be true in all moments of time, in every possible world. But how could a physical brain, which stands in physical relations to other objects and whose activities are determined, insofar as they are determined at all, by the laws of physics and not the laws of logic, come to know, not merely that something was true, but could not fail to be true regardless of whatever else is true in the world.We can certainly imagine, for example, a possible world in which the laws of physics are different from the way they are in the actual world. We can imagine, for example, that instead of living in a universe in which dead people tend to stay dead, we find them rising out of their graves on a regular basis on the third day after they are buried. But we cannot imagine a world in which, once we know which cat and which mat, it can possibly be the case that the cat is both on the mat and not on the mat.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Now can we imagine there being a world in which 2 + 2 is really 5 and not 4? I think not.It is one thing to suggest that brains might be able to “track” states of affairs in the physical world. It is another thing to suggest that a physical system can be aware, not only that something is the case, but that it must be the case; that not only it is the case but that it could not fail to be the case. Brain states stand in physical relations to the rest of the world, and are related to that world through cause and effect, responding to changes in the world around us. How can these brain states be knowings of what must be true in all possible worlds?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Consider the difficulty of going from what is to what ought to be in ethics. Many philosophers have agreed that you can pile up the physical truths, and all other descriptive truths from chemistry, biology, psychology, and sociology, as high as you like about, say, the killings of Nicole Brown Simpson and Ronald Goldman, and you could never, by any examination of these, come to the conclusion that these acts we really morally wrong (as opposed to being merely widely disapproved of and criminalized by the legal system). Even the atheist philosopher J. L. Mackie argued that if there were truths of moral necessity, these truths, and our ability to know those truths, are do not fit well into the naturalistic world-view, and if they existed, they would support a theistic world-view. Mackie could and did, of course, deny moral objectivity, but my claim is that objective logical truths present an even more serious problem for naturalism, because the naturalist cannot simply say they don’t exist on pain of undermining the very natural science on which his world-view rests.Arguing that such knowledge is trivial because it merely constitutes the “relations of ideas” and does not tell anything about the world outside our minds seems to me to be an inadequate response. If, for example, the laws of logic are about the relations of ideas, then not only are they about ideas that I have thought already, but also they are true of thoughts I haven’t even had yet. If contradictions can’t be true because this is how my ideas relate to one another, and it is a contingent fact that my ideas relate to one another in this way, then it is impossible to say that they won’t relate differently tomorrow.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Carrier responds somewhat differently. He says:For logical laws are just like physical laws, because physical laws describe the way the universe works, and logical laws describe the way reason works—or, to avoid begging the question, logical laws describe the way a truth-finding machine works, in the very same way that the laws of aerodynamics describe the way a flying-machine works, or the laws of ballistics describe the way guns shoot their targets. The only difference between logical laws and physical laws is that the fact that physical laws describe physics and logical laws describe logic. But that is a difference both trivial and obvious.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;What this amounts to, it seems to me, is a denial of the absolute necessity of logic. If the laws of logic just tell us how truth-finding machines work, then if the world were different a truth-finding machine would work differently. I would insist on a critical distinction between the truths of mathematics, which are true regardless of whether anybody thinks them or not, and laws governing how either a person or a computer ought to perform computations. I would ask “What is it about reality that makes one set of computations correct and another set of computations incorrect?”&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;William Vallicella provides an argument against the claim that the laws of logic are empirical generalizations:&lt;br /&gt;1. The laws of logic are empirical generalizations. (Assumption for reductio).&lt;br /&gt;2. Empirical generalizations, if true, are merely contingently true. (By definition of ‘empirical generalization’: empirical generalizations record what happens to be the case, but might have not been the case.)&lt;br /&gt;3. The laws of logic, if true, are merely contingently true. (1 and 2)&lt;br /&gt;4. If proposition p is contingently true, then it is possible the p be false. (True by definition&lt;br /&gt;5. The laws of logic, if true, are possibly false. (From 3 and 4)&lt;br /&gt;6. LNC is possibly false: there are logically possible worlds in which p &amp;amp; ~p is true.&lt;br /&gt;7. But (6) is absurd (self-contradictory): it amounts to saying that it is logically possible that the very criterion of logical possibility, namely LNC, be false. Therefore 1 is false, and its contradictory, the clam that the laws of logic are not empirical generalizations, is true.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Logic, I maintain, picks out features of reality that must exist in any possible world. We know, and have insight into these realities, and this is what permits us to think. A naturalistic view of the universe, according to which there is nothing in existence that is not in a particular time and a particular place, is hard-pressed to reconcile their theory of the world with the idea that we as humans can access not only what is, but also what must be.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a title="Email Post" href="http://www.blogger.com/email-post.g?blogID=10584495&amp;amp;postID=112240159258841651"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a title="Edit Post" style="BORDER-TOP-STYLE: none; BORDER-RIGHT-STYLE: none; BORDER-LEFT-STYLE: none; BORDER-BOTTOM-STYLE: none" href="http://www.blogger.com/post-edit.g?blogID=10584495&amp;amp;postID=112240159258841651"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a name="comments"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/38436816-5320053010156659324?l=dangerousidea2.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' 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src='http://bp1.blogger.com/_fbDbFJGRmD8/R9q9gPtFDhI/AAAAAAAAAB8/LZmw1YsTEtE/S220/reppert.jpg'/></author><thr:total>12</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38436816.post-7484133122336397267</id><published>2008-11-14T12:53:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2008-11-14T12:55:00.641-08:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Naturalism'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Dallas Willard'/><title type='text'>Dallas Willard on Naturalism</title><content type='html'>&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/38436816-7484133122336397267?l=dangerousidea2.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='related' href='http://www.dwillard.org/articles/artview.asp?artID=64' title='Dallas Willard on Naturalism'/><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://dangerousidea2.blogspot.com/feeds/7484133122336397267/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=38436816&amp;postID=7484133122336397267' title='11 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/38436816/posts/default/7484133122336397267'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/38436816/posts/default/7484133122336397267'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://dangerousidea2.blogspot.com/2008/11/dallas-willard-on-naturalism.html' title='Dallas Willard on Naturalism'/><author><name>Victor Reppert</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/10962948073162156902</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='29' height='32' src='http://bp1.blogger.com/_fbDbFJGRmD8/R9q9gPtFDhI/AAAAAAAAAB8/LZmw1YsTEtE/S220/reppert.jpg'/></author><thr:total>11</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38436816.post-4769636936387060113</id><published>2008-11-10T11:10:00.001-08:00</published><updated>2008-11-10T11:10:55.938-08:00</updated><title type='text'>A paper which includes a discussion of the AFR</title><content type='html'>By David Theroux.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/38436816-4769636936387060113?l=dangerousidea2.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='related' href='http://www.lewissociety.org/jpetheroux.pdf' title='A paper which includes a discussion of the AFR'/><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://dangerousidea2.blogspot.com/feeds/4769636936387060113/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=38436816&amp;postID=4769636936387060113' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/38436816/posts/default/4769636936387060113'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/38436816/posts/default/4769636936387060113'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://dangerousidea2.blogspot.com/2008/11/paper-which-includes-discussion-of-afr.html' title='A paper which includes a discussion of the AFR'/><author><name>Victor Reppert</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/10962948073162156902</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='29' height='32' src='http://bp1.blogger.com/_fbDbFJGRmD8/R9q9gPtFDhI/AAAAAAAAAB8/LZmw1YsTEtE/S220/reppert.jpg'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38436816.post-3611976468930818710</id><published>2008-11-08T12:16:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2008-11-08T11:16:32.102-08:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='epistemic value'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='moral value'/><title type='text'>Lycan on the relation between epistemic and moral value.</title><content type='html'>I'm redating this post. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It’s interesting that this parallel [between ethics and epistemology] goes generally unremarked. Moral subjectivism, relativism, emotivism, etc. are rife among both philosophers and ordinary people, yet very few of these same people would think even for a moment of denying the objectivity of epistemic value; that is, of attacking the reality of the distinction between reasonable and unreasonable belief. I wonder why that is?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt; See Lycan (“Epistemic Value” 137).&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/38436816-3611976468930818710?l=dangerousidea2.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://dangerousidea2.blogspot.com/feeds/3611976468930818710/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=38436816&amp;postID=3611976468930818710' title='5 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/38436816/posts/default/3611976468930818710'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/38436816/posts/default/3611976468930818710'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://dangerousidea2.blogspot.com/2007/08/lycan-on-relation-between-epistemic-and.html' title='Lycan on the relation between epistemic and moral value.'/><author><name>Victor Reppert</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/10962948073162156902</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='29' height='32' src='http://bp1.blogger.com/_fbDbFJGRmD8/R9q9gPtFDhI/AAAAAAAAAB8/LZmw1YsTEtE/S220/reppert.jpg'/></author><thr:total>5</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38436816.post-1187971716289501768</id><published>2008-09-09T22:30:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2008-09-09T22:32:00.636-07:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Steve Lovell'/><title type='text'>Lovell's treatment of the AFR</title><content type='html'>&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/38436816-1187971716289501768?l=dangerousidea2.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='related' href='http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/cslphilos/CSLnat.htm' title='Lovell&apos;s treatment of the AFR'/><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://dangerousidea2.blogspot.com/feeds/1187971716289501768/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=38436816&amp;postID=1187971716289501768' title='131 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/38436816/posts/default/1187971716289501768'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/38436816/posts/default/1187971716289501768'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://dangerousidea2.blogspot.com/2008/09/lovells-treatment-of-afr.html' title='Lovell&apos;s treatment of the AFR'/><author><name>Victor Reppert</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/10962948073162156902</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='29' height='32' src='http://bp1.blogger.com/_fbDbFJGRmD8/R9q9gPtFDhI/AAAAAAAAAB8/LZmw1YsTEtE/S220/reppert.jpg'/></author><thr:total>131</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38436816.post-7472240208507138036</id><published>2008-07-31T16:02:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2008-07-31T16:03:09.597-07:00</updated><title type='text'>Bruce Russell on Wielenberg</title><content type='html'>&lt;a title="external link" href="http://ndpr.nd.edu/review.cfm?id=13785"&gt;Bruce Russell reviews Erik Wielenberg's God and the Reach of Reason &lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The book is in interesting and valuable treatment of the arguments of Lewis, Hume, and Russell, mostly Lewis. The review offers a response to one of the lines of argument in the AFR, and just says that Wielenberg has answered another. I think there are plenty of difficulties in the idea that intentional mental states (or to be more specific, propositional attitudes), can evolve from non-intentional states, so long as we insist that they physical is mechanistic and closed, and that any mental state would have to supervene necessarily on the physical states. What that would mean would be that there is a set of truths at the non-intentional level that entails some truth at the intentional level. I don't think such entailments are even logically possible. Pile up the non-intentional truths as high as the ceiling, and they won't entail an intentional truth (S believes that p), necessarily. It will always be possible for the intentional state not to exist, or that multiple possible intentional states are logically consistent with the state of the physical. (For example, a world physically identical to this one could be populated with zombies). Given this, if we are in particular intentional states such as S believes that P, then there is something other than the physical that makes it the case that I am in this mental state as opposed to that one, or as opposed to no mental state whatsoever.Russell offers an analysis of Lewis's argument that goes like this.If S knows that P1) S believes pand2) The complete cause of S's belief that P is the truth of p itself.Hence if I believe that 2 + 2 = 4, in order to know that 2 + 2 = 4, the cause of my belief that 2 + 2 = 4 is the fact that 2 + 2 = 4, and that would be impossible given naturalism.However, says Russell, I know I will be dead onon Jan. 1, 2100, but the truth of that belief is a future state, and can't cause me to believe that this, so on this theory of knowledge, I can't know that 2 + 2 = 4. Therefore the theory of knowledge is flawed, and hence the Lewisian AFR on which the argument is based is also flawed.However, the case of my being dead in 92 years, the knowledge is not known directly, but is a conclusion of a principle of past-future resemblance (which Lewis actually thinks is rationally justified on a theistic world-view but not on a naturalistic one), plus evidence we have concerning human lifespans in our collective experience. Clearly some corrections and/or clarifications need to be done on Lewis's "An act of knowing thus solely determined by what is known," which Russell is surely referencing. Nevertheless, the fact that we live in a world that renders is likely that we will die before the age of 150 seems to be evident to us, and a bridge to the future fact seems possible if we grant the naturalist the resemblance principle. But how do we get a bridge from ourselves as physical beings to the fact that 2 + 2 = 4, of that arguments of the form "modus ponens" are valid.So I don't think the objections to the AFR work that are found in this review.I am glad to see Wielenberg's book getting some attention.&lt;br /&gt;Labels: &lt;a href="http://dangerousidea.blogspot.com/search/label/Erik%20Wielenberg" rel="tag"&gt;Erik Wielenberg&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href="http://dangerousidea.blogspot.com/search/label/the%20argument%20from%20reason" rel="tag"&gt;the argument from reason&lt;/a&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/38436816-7472240208507138036?l=dangerousidea2.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://dangerousidea2.blogspot.com/feeds/7472240208507138036/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=38436816&amp;postID=7472240208507138036' title='112 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/38436816/posts/default/7472240208507138036'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/38436816/posts/default/7472240208507138036'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://dangerousidea2.blogspot.com/2008/07/bruce-russell-on-wielenberg.html' title='Bruce Russell on Wielenberg'/><author><name>Victor Reppert</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/10962948073162156902</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='29' height='32' src='http://bp1.blogger.com/_fbDbFJGRmD8/R9q9gPtFDhI/AAAAAAAAAB8/LZmw1YsTEtE/S220/reppert.jpg'/></author><thr:total>112</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38436816.post-8945077258281712194</id><published>2008-07-22T13:18:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2008-07-22T13:19:33.360-07:00</updated><title type='text'>Blue Devil Knight on Penelope Maddy's new book</title><content type='html'>&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/38436816-8945077258281712194?l=dangerousidea2.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='related' href='http://philosophyofbrains.com/2008/07/14/does-your-inspiration-come-from-the-laboratory-or-the-library.aspx' title='Blue Devil Knight on Penelope Maddy&apos;s new book'/><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://dangerousidea2.blogspot.com/feeds/8945077258281712194/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=38436816&amp;postID=8945077258281712194' title='3 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/38436816/posts/default/8945077258281712194'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/38436816/posts/default/8945077258281712194'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://dangerousidea2.blogspot.com/2008/07/blue-devil-knight-on-penelope-maddys.html' title='Blue Devil Knight on Penelope Maddy&apos;s new book'/><author><name>Victor Reppert</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/10962948073162156902</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='29' height='32' src='http://bp1.blogger.com/_fbDbFJGRmD8/R9q9gPtFDhI/AAAAAAAAAB8/LZmw1YsTEtE/S220/reppert.jpg'/></author><thr:total>3</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38436816.post-4240768058416801327</id><published>2008-07-22T13:13:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2008-07-22T13:18:41.179-07:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='fallacy of composition'/><title type='text'>Does the Argument from Reason commit the fallacy of composition</title><content type='html'>&lt;span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);"&gt;Wakefield Tolbert: After all, he has a good point, and one that is seemingly obvious but some people (including myself!) often miss due to the old adage that the best way of hiding---so they say---is in plain sight. A drop of water an ocean does not make. And no, Jaws can't maneuver in a pail. Nonetheless, water molecules indeed comprise the greater part of oceans, and likewise by analogy atoms and their multitude of connections make for us a larger world, (in fact the Cosmos) and all its attributes. Very commonly, as AC points out in a way, we DO hear much of this "X" could not possibly lead to "Y" kind of argumentation about inanimate matter forming conscious things just as it was supposed before the 19th century that matter had to had a "living spark" or other attribute to form life. . Which as we now know it does not. All around us we see rather ordinary manifestations of matter doing extraordinary things. Like the photons from this laptop showing the pixelized images on the blog.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);"&gt;Same for life itself: It just has to be the right arrangement of compounds. Ammonia and nitrogen, for example, both help compose and are excrete by all organisms. So too the argument with other Composed items. One might as well argue that a single note does not give us the compiled works of Mozart. But notes he has a plenty. Now perhaps some will next argue this argues for Intention and Will in order to arrange these elements (notes or atoms). But in the case of materialism's claim that natural processes entirely account for the evolution of life on Earth (and thus the human mind) as well being an unforeseen but "emergent" property of matter (just as no one could foresee water as the merging of hydrogen and oxygen, but nevertheless has odd qualities that are difficult to explain in themselves), the Will or Intention is not needed, it would seem.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Wakefield: It seems to me in the cases you mentioned, in the supervenience base of "composed" qualities, there is no normativity, no subjectivity, no teleology, and no intentionality. You just have something having a "macro" or "system" property of a set of microphysical parts. In the case of the mind, it does have those four properties, and because of that, I have a lot of trouble seeing how some truth having to do with any of those things can possibly supervene necessarily (and it must be necessarily) from the physical states. It's something like the familiar problem in ethics of getting an ought from an is. It gets worse when you start seeing how attempts to account for the "mental" have over and over again either implicitly denied the mental or slipped it in through the back door.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;You take all the physical descriptions and put them in the left-hand side of the equation. Add them together, and it looks as if they can't entail anything on the "mental" side of the equation. There is always room for indeterminacy, or, for that matter, room for zombies. The physical works just fine, but there's just no there there.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/38436816-4240768058416801327?l=dangerousidea2.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='related' href='http://dangerousidea2.blogspot.com/2008/07/attack-on-lewis-from-austin-cline.html' title='Does the Argument from Reason commit the fallacy of composition'/><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://dangerousidea2.blogspot.com/feeds/4240768058416801327/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=38436816&amp;postID=4240768058416801327' title='9 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/38436816/posts/default/4240768058416801327'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/38436816/posts/default/4240768058416801327'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://dangerousidea2.blogspot.com/2008/07/does-argument-from-reason-commit.html' title='Does the Argument from Reason commit the fallacy of composition'/><author><name>Victor Reppert</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/10962948073162156902</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='29' height='32' src='http://bp1.blogger.com/_fbDbFJGRmD8/R9q9gPtFDhI/AAAAAAAAAB8/LZmw1YsTEtE/S220/reppert.jpg'/></author><thr:total>9</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38436816.post-7176906254599954199</id><published>2008-07-21T15:02:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2008-07-21T15:04:36.733-07:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Naturalism'/><title type='text'>Am I a weird naturalist?</title><content type='html'>My concept of the natural happens to exclude God, since on the working definition that I operate from, teleological and intentional explanations are basic explanations. But God has a character, a nature, and if we knew enough about that character we would be able to predict God's actions. To some extent people are able to predict the actions of God. So if that makes God natural by your definition, I have no trouble with God being natural, or even, for that matter, God being physical.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In defining the physical, my dissertation advisor Hugh Chandler once, in class said that physics is whatever physics quantifies over, and some theories quantify over God, therefore if those theories are true, then God is physical.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Biology is the science of living things, theology is the science of God. Gosh, maybe I'm a naturalist after all. Just a weird one.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/38436816-7176906254599954199?l=dangerousidea2.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://dangerousidea2.blogspot.com/feeds/7176906254599954199/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=38436816&amp;postID=7176906254599954199' title='11 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/38436816/posts/default/7176906254599954199'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/38436816/posts/default/7176906254599954199'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://dangerousidea2.blogspot.com/2008/07/am-i-weird-naturalist.html' title='Am I a weird naturalist?'/><author><name>Victor Reppert</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/10962948073162156902</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='29' height='32' src='http://bp1.blogger.com/_fbDbFJGRmD8/R9q9gPtFDhI/AAAAAAAAAB8/LZmw1YsTEtE/S220/reppert.jpg'/></author><thr:total>11</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38436816.post-1005805356546975038</id><published>2008-07-12T18:24:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2008-07-12T18:26:15.976-07:00</updated><title type='text'>Understanding the term "supernatural"</title><content type='html'>Anonymous: What I don’t get is why this should lead one to adopting a belief in the supernatural. Why the insistence that one need believe in the supernatural in order to be able to legitimately deem an act to be rational or non-rational?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;VR: I don't like introducing the term "supernatural too soon in the discussion, at least without clarifying the idea. In the initial stages of the argument we are simply trying to show that the explanatory chain has to hit something rational at rock-bottom, and not something non-rational. Now if we expel all intelligent causes from the rock bottom of nature, then we got something super that, and hence in some sense we've got something supernatural. But you have to understand what sense we mean when we are using the word "supernatural." We need to keep this Lewis quote in mind.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);"&gt;To call the act of knowing--the act, not of remembering that something was so in the past, but of 'seeing' that it must be so always and in any possible world--to call this act 'supernatural', is some violence to our ordinary linguistic usage. But of course we do not mean by this that it is spooky, or sensational, or even (in any religious sense) 'spiritual'. We mean only that it 'won't fit in'; that such an act, to be what it claims to be--and if it is not, all our thinking is discredited--cannot be merely the exhibition at a particular place and time of that total, and largely mindless, system of events called 'Nature'. It must break sufficiently free from that universal chain in order to be determined by what it knows.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/38436816-1005805356546975038?l=dangerousidea2.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://dangerousidea2.blogspot.com/feeds/1005805356546975038/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=38436816&amp;postID=1005805356546975038' title='6 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/38436816/posts/default/1005805356546975038'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/38436816/posts/default/1005805356546975038'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://dangerousidea2.blogspot.com/2008/07/understanding-term-supernatural.html' title='Understanding the term &quot;supernatural&quot;'/><author><name>Victor Reppert</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/10962948073162156902</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='29' height='32' src='http://bp1.blogger.com/_fbDbFJGRmD8/R9q9gPtFDhI/AAAAAAAAAB8/LZmw1YsTEtE/S220/reppert.jpg'/></author><thr:total>6</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38436816.post-2905931714264898748</id><published>2008-07-08T17:49:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2008-07-11T23:19:42.071-07:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='atheism'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='C. S. Lewis'/><title type='text'>An attack on Lewis from Austin Cline--redated from DI 2005</title><content type='html'>&lt;span style="text-decoration: underline;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;                &lt;div class="post-body"&gt;            &lt;div&gt; These comments are from Austin Cline, on his atheism website. He seems a little out of touch with the most recent scholarship on the Argument from Reason. Cline's comments are in bold, my responses are not.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;AC: &lt;strong&gt;C.S. Lewis wanted to explain nature on the basis of his supernatural god; as a consequence, naturalistic explanations for nature represented a major threat — just as it does for contemporary apologists. Lewis argued against naturalism in a variety of contexts. It plays an important role not just in his discussions about morality, but also in his arguments about the nature of reason.&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;VR: No, Lewis did not think naturalistic explanations for nature constituted a threat. It is only when these explanations are claimed to excluded a theistic explanation that they become at threat. There is no problem with Christians believing in, say, the law of gravity.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;AC: &lt;strong&gt;In his book Miracles, Lewis argues against naturalism by saying “If Naturalism is true, every finite thing or event must be (in principle) explicable in terms of the Total System.” This isn’t necessarily true. Lewis was aware of advances in physics which revealed that events on the quantum level were probabilistic rather than deterministic, but he regarded this as a reason to think that there exists something more than “Nature” rather than as a reason to think that maybe nature isn’t quite what he (like others) assumed it to be. He rejected the findings of science because they conflicted with his assumptions. &lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;VR: The difference between Quantum and Classical mechanics are irrelevant to the Argument from Reason, since on most interpretations quantum activity is pure blind chance and nothing more. If QM opens the door for ground-level teleology (which seems to be what Wiest was suggesting on this blog a few months back), then we have something that is not naturalism in the sense that Lewis was trying to criticize.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;AC: &lt;strong&gt;Lewis appears not to have understood that some events and systems are, even in principle, not explainable despite being entirely natural. No one disputes that the weather is completely natural, but while weather events can be predicted to varying degrees of accuracy, it’s not possible even in principle to explain every facet of them because they are too complex, chaotic, and probabilistic. &lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;VR: Meaning not explainable in principle, or beyond out powers of explanation? Cline seems not to understand the difference between inexplicability due to temporary human limitations, and inexplicability due to the absence of determining causes. In any event I see no reason to believe that Lewis was guilty of this lack of understanding, and if he did it is irrelevant to the argument.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;AC: &lt;strong&gt;Part of the problem is that Lewis adopts a very limited, narrow understanding of naturalism. For Lewis, naturalism is the same as determinism. Thus, what we encounter is a tactic which Lewis uses continually: the construction of a false dilemma fallacy in which he presents the “wrong” option in an unfavorable and incorrectly defined way against the “right” option which, he hopes, will seem more reasonable against his straw man. The idea of a third option, like rejecting both extreme determinism and supernaturalism, is never entertained.&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;VR: Again the question is not determinism, it is the question of whether, at the most basic level of analysis, nature in non-purposive. Since believing something for a reason needs to be explained purposively in order for it to be regarded as reasoning, this is the basis for a prima facie incompatibility. Replacing blind determination with blind chaos does not help account for reason.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;AC: &lt;strong&gt;From this inauspicious beginning, things only go down hill. Lewis argues that nature cannot explain the existence of Reason:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;“A strict materialism refutes itself for the reason given long ago by Professor Haldane: ‘If my mental processes are determined wholly by the motions of atoms in my brain, I have no reason to suppose that my beliefs are true...and hence I have no reason for supposing my brain to be composed of atoms.’ (Possible Worlds, p. 209)”&lt;br /&gt;In other words, because atoms are not themselves rational, then they alone cannot be responsible for rationality because such an irrational foundation cannot be a reliable basis for rational thinking. This absurd reasoning would preclude atoms being responsible for anything at all — atoms aren’t visible to the naked eye, so how could they produce anything visible? It’s known as the fallacy of composition and is just one more example of Lewis constructing fallacious arguments in the apparent hope that no one would notice. &lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;VR: Lewis makes a distinction between "strict materialism," which can be refuted in one sentence, and naturalism, which requires a much longer treatment. Lewis was praised by his most famous opponent, Anscombe, for "honesty and seriousness" in his revised chapter. Shouldn't this tip anyone off that a "quick and dirty" refutation of Lewis is not in the cards? The real question is how logical relationships between proposition can play any role in some event in the physical world being caused. I'm really not sure what Lewis meant by "strict materialism;" however I would not give that simple of an argument against more contemporary kinds of materialism. But I think a some versions of Lewis's arguments against naturalism are telling arguments against contemporary materialism.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;AC: &lt;strong&gt;On February 2, 1948, G.E.M. Anscombe read a paper to the Oxford Socratic Club criticizing this section of C.S Lewis’ book, identifying several serious weaknesses. According to George Sayer, a friend of Lewis, he recognized that his position was soundly refuted:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;“He told me that he had been proved wrong, and that his argument for the existence of God had been demolished. ...The debate had been a humiliating experience, but perhaps it was ultimately good for him. In the past, he had been too proud of his logical ability. Now he was humbled ....’I can never write another book of that sort’ he said to me of Miracles. And he never did. He also never wrote another theological book. Reflections on the Psalms is really devotional and literary; Letters to Malcolm is also a devotional book, a series of reflections on prayer, without contentious arguments.”&lt;/strong&gt;VR: Here we go again with the Anscombe Legend. Sayer was basically a high school English teacher, and he fails to draw the all-important distinction between thinking oneself really proved wrong, and thinking the someone has shown one's argument to be inadequately formulated. Lewis probably thought he had performed poorly in the exchange; he probably thought that there were problems with the formulation of his argument, but there is no reason to suppose that he thought his argument shown to be a bad one.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;John Beversluis, on whom Cline seems to be relying for his critique of Lewis, had this to say in a subsequent paper:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;First, the Anscombe debate was by no means Lewis's first exposure to a professional philosopher: he lived among them all his adult life, read the Greats, and even taught philosophy. Second, it is simply untrue that the post-Anscombe Lewis abandoned Christian apologetics. In 1960 he published a second edition of Miracles in which he revised the third chapter and thereby replied to Anscombe. Third, most printed discussions of the debate, mine included, fail to mention that Anscombe herself complimented Lewis's revised argument on the grounds that it is deeper and far more serious than the original version. Finally, the myth that Lewis abandoned Christian apologetics overlooks several post-Anscombe articles, among them "Is Theism Important?" (1952)—a discussion of Christianity and theism which touches on philosophical proofs for God's existence—and "On Obstinacy of Belief"—in which Lewis defends the rationality of belief in God in the face of apparently contrary evidence (the issue in philosophical theology during the late 1950s and early 60s). It is rhetorically effective to announce that the post-Anscombe Lewis wrote no further books on Christian apologetics, but it is pure fiction. Even if it were true, what would this Argument from Abandoned Subjects prove? He wrote no further books on Paradise Lost or courtly love either.1&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;AC: &lt;strong&gt;Lewis never publicly acknowledged his defeat, but he did respond. The relevant chapter was renamed from “Naturalism is Self-Refuting” to “The Cardinal Difficulty of Naturalism.” Some statements were revised and he removed the egregious claim that “We may state it as a rule that no thought is valid if it can be fully explained as the result of irrational causes.” &lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;These revisions are not enough to salvage his argument because its flaws are fundamental. Lewis relied, for example, on a bizarre epistemology, according to which knowledge can only be attained indirectly by inferring from sensory perception to the objects supposedly lying behind them. Because of this, he felt that reliable knowledge depends upon logical reasoning — that we cannot come to have true, justified beliefs about the world without it. &lt;/strong&gt;&lt;strong&gt;This is a peculiar and extreme form of rationalism, but it’s not an epistemology which is compatible with modern science and thinking. It doesn’t enjoy wide currency today, even among Christians who ostensibly accept Lewis’ apologetics. If they do not accept the epistemological assumptions he uses, though, they cannot also accept his theological conclusions which they find so appealing. &lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;VR: This is a criticism that Cline is borrowing from John Beversluis, whose book C&lt;em&gt;. S. Lewis and the Search for Rational Religion,&lt;/em&gt; is taken by many in freethought circles to be the definitive refutation of Lewis, in spite of the fact that numerous articles effectively criticizing it have been published. Lewis did say that all possible knowledge, then, depends on the validity of reasoning. But depends in what way? Is he actually saying that what we are immediately aware of are "sense data" and that we recognize physical objects only by performing inferences? This is a philosophical theory that still exists, and it is probably more defensible than most people think it is, but it is true that today the mainstream position is a some kind of direct realism, according to which we perceive physical objects directly.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But would a good case for direct realism refute Lewis's argument? No. First, did Lewis really say we infer physical objects? What he said was:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;"It is clear that everything we know, beyond out own sensations, in inferred from those sensations. I do not mean that we begin as children, by regarding out sensations as "evidence" and thence arguing consciously to the existence of space, matter and other people. I mean that if, after we are old enough to understand the question, our confidence in the existence of anything else (say, the solar system or the Spanish Armada) is questioned, our argument in defence of it will have to take the form of arguments from our immediate sensations."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So it is not that we perform inferences in order to know physical objects; it is that we use inferences to defend out beliefs in those objects that makes perceptual knowledge depend on inference. This I consider to be perfectly compatible with the claim that we perceive physical objects directly and noninferentially.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Note: Since I wrote this Dr. Beversluis has written a revised version of his book in which he defends the claim that Lewis did think that we are not directly aware of physical objects. The evidence isn't crystal-clear from the Lewis texts, however I think Beversluis is probably right about this. However, the more important point, which unfortunately Beversluis does not attempt to rebut, is the claim I make below, the claim that on any view we are dependent upon reasoning for knowledge, such that that, if no one ever engaged in rational inference, we simply could not make the knowledge claims that all naturalists accept, such as e=MC squared, or even that the Pythagorean theorem is true. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In any event, if Lewis exaggerated the role of inference in knowledge, so what? His argument is that if naturalism is true, then there are no inferences. Maybe my knowledge that the wall in front of me is purple can remain as knowledge under these circumstances, but if there are no inferences, then no one ever proved the Pythagorean theorem, Darwin didn't really provide arguments for evolution by natural selection, and no one ever inferred that e=mc squared, and no one ever inferred atheism from the existence of evil in the world.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In other words, whether or not Lewis used the "epistemological assumptions" in his argument, the argument does not need them, and will can do just fine without them. Whether one can explain the existence of rational inference naturalistically--well, I could write a book about that subject. In any event, if there is something wrong with Lewis's argument, Cline has failed to take the argument seriously enough to find out what it is.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;1 John Beversluis, "Surprised by Freud: A Critical Appraisal of A. N. Wilson's Biography of C. S. Lewis," Christianity and Literature, Vol. 41, No. 2 (1992), pp. 179-95 &lt;/div&gt;          &lt;/div&gt;            &lt;p class="post-footer"&gt;      &lt;em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://dangerousidea.blogspot.com/2005/10/attack-on-lewis-from-austin-cline.html" title="permanent link"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/38436816-2905931714264898748?l=dangerousidea2.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='related' href='http://dangerousidea.blogspot.com/2005/10/attack-on-lewis-from-austin-cline.html' title='An attack on Lewis from Austin Cline--redated from DI 2005'/><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://dangerousidea2.blogspot.com/feeds/2905931714264898748/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=38436816&amp;postID=2905931714264898748' title='7 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/38436816/posts/default/2905931714264898748'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/38436816/posts/default/2905931714264898748'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://dangerousidea2.blogspot.com/2008/07/attack-on-lewis-from-austin-cline.html' title='An attack on Lewis from Austin Cline--redated from DI 2005'/><author><name>Victor Reppert</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/10962948073162156902</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='29' height='32' src='http://bp1.blogger.com/_fbDbFJGRmD8/R9q9gPtFDhI/AAAAAAAAAB8/LZmw1YsTEtE/S220/reppert.jpg'/></author><thr:total>7</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38436816.post-4850725135996629911</id><published>2008-07-05T12:53:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2008-07-05T18:29:59.702-07:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='intentionality'/><title type='text'>Reply to JT Eberhard</title><content type='html'>JT: To argue that the existence of intention establishes the existence of god is an argument from ignorance, especially given the vast amount we do understand about the brain. All that we know about states of mind has been revealed to us by the application of experiments dealing with the tangible aspects of cognizance. Conversely, it seem the argument of consciousness could once have been called the argument from emotion, before science granted us an explanation of the mechanisms that caused us to be emotional.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;VR: Here is my question. Could any amount of brain information be logically sufficient for the existence of an intentional state, such that, given this pile of non-intentional information, a truth about the intentional state is &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;logically entailed&lt;/span&gt;? It seems to be a problem very similar from the problem of going from descriptive to normative in, say, an ethical context. The fact we have scientific information bearing on the subject doesn't automatically solve the problem. For example, if I want to know if I ought to fire off a gun right now, there are some descriptive scientific facts about what firing off that gun is going to do that will,&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt; given certain moral values&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;justify the claim that I ought not to fire the gun. But does it complete the argument against shooting the gun? No. Is it an argument from ignorance to suggest that no matter how much scientific information about gun-shooting we gather, we are not going to logically reach the conclusion that shooting the gun is wrong? No.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In general, although a lot of people use the "argument from ignorance" charge against various theistic arguments (and in the case of my argument from reason I don't go directly to God; there are several intervening steps), I have never seen a good analysis of what a fallacious argument from ignorance is. There is maybe a paradigm case or two out there, but it is as if people think they can say phrase and expect the opposing argument to just go away. It doesn't work that way. &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/38436816-4850725135996629911?l=dangerousidea2.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://dangerousidea2.blogspot.com/feeds/4850725135996629911/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=38436816&amp;postID=4850725135996629911' title='14 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/38436816/posts/default/4850725135996629911'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/38436816/posts/default/4850725135996629911'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://dangerousidea2.blogspot.com/2008/07/reply-to-jp-eberhard.html' title='Reply to JT Eberhard'/><author><name>Victor Reppert</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/10962948073162156902</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='29' height='32' src='http://bp1.blogger.com/_fbDbFJGRmD8/R9q9gPtFDhI/AAAAAAAAAB8/LZmw1YsTEtE/S220/reppert.jpg'/></author><thr:total>14</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38436816.post-7796523411559203729</id><published>2008-07-02T10:18:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2008-07-02T10:54:46.147-07:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='argument from intentionality'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='intentionality'/><title type='text'>The Richard Carrier Fallacy</title><content type='html'>NormaJean: I agree that I have been away from a lot of these discussions. I don't know if I could call it "getting off scot-free." Sometimes if you aren't in a debate which goes on for awhile it's a little difficult to pick up the thread deep in the discussion.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But I think the discussion didn't exactly go in the direction that I would have taken it. The following is a discussion from Doctor Logic's first reply, to which I want to push him a little.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color:#993399;"&gt;Suppose I consider the proposition "My dog is on the porch."How do I know what this proposition is about? If I see the neighbor's cat on the porch instead of my dog, how do I know that the proposition is false? And how can I assert the proposition in advance of actually making the observation?There's a simple and elegant (and natural) solution. Intentionality is about my own cognitive abilities, and my cognitive abilities are in a physical brain that does exist as the thought is processed. A proposition has meaning in light of me knowing (approximately) what experiences would increase or decrease my confidence in the truth of that proposition. That is, the proposition isn't a physical reference to actual dogs and porches (which may not exist), but is about my presently-existing faculties for recognizing dogs on porches if those things existed. Rocks and CD-ROMs lack intentionality because they lack thought and recognition. Deep Blue lacks intentionality because Deep Blue does not formulate propositions about its abilities to recognize states of affairs. It just recognizes them. For example, Deep Blue does not ponder the proposition that it will lose the game (in some abstract way), even though it is capable of recognizing a great many specific ways of losing a match. Deep Blue's intelligence is fish-like or insect-like. It does not have ability to recognize its own mental states.So the argument that we cannot see how one lump of matter could be about another just doesn't hold up under scrutiny. If the first lump has recognition and expectation, and the ability to recurse those abilities on its own faculties, then that lump can have intentional thought. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;What I am failing to see here is that this is an account of intentionality in non-intentional terms. Intentionality is "about my cognitive abilities," you say. If these cognitive abilities presuppose intentionality, then we are shuffling intentional concepts around and calling it an explanation of intentionality. OK, you mention the brain, but that doesn't make it a physicalist explanation. Meaning no disrespect to you or Richard, I would have to call this the Richard Carrier Fallacy. (OK, I'm asking for someone to come up with a Victor Reppert fallacy. I know that.)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color:#993399;"&gt;DL: A proposition has meaning in light of me knowing (approximately) what experiences would increase or decrease my confidence in the truth of that proposition.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This seems to me just backwards. Meaning is determined by what experiences would increase or decrease confidence in the truth of the proposition?? You have to know what the proposition means before you can figure out what experiences would make it more or less likely to be true.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Further, it is naturalists like BDK who insist most firmly that the presence of intentionality. doesn't require the entertaining of propositions. Indeed, nothing can entertain propositions unless it possesses intentionality to begin with. Deep Blue doesn't recognize it's own mental states, it doesn't ponder propositions, but these capacity are exactly what you are trying to offer a non-intentional explanation.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Here's the problem I am getting at with the numbered premise argument. Add up all the physical, non-intentional states you want, don't help yourself to any states that are intentional, and see if it is possible that these non-intentional states can entail some intentional state or propositional attitude. It looks to me that whatever physical information you give me, I can deny the existence of any propositional attitude, or affirm the existence of alternative propositional attitude, without contradicting myself. Hence, if there is a truth about what the propositional attitude, the explanation of it in terms of a physical, non-intentional substrate is incomplete.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Again, you introduce terms like recognition and expectation. If those terms mean "recognizing that p" or "expecting that p", then you aren't explaining the propositional state, you are slipping the propositional state in through the back door and calling it an explanation. Otherwise, what do you mean by "recognition" and "expectation?"&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/38436816-7796523411559203729?l=dangerousidea2.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://dangerousidea2.blogspot.com/feeds/7796523411559203729/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=38436816&amp;postID=7796523411559203729' title='11 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/38436816/posts/default/7796523411559203729'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/38436816/posts/default/7796523411559203729'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://dangerousidea2.blogspot.com/2008/07/richard-carrier-fallacy.html' title='The Richard Carrier Fallacy'/><author><name>Victor Reppert</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/10962948073162156902</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='29' height='32' src='http://bp1.blogger.com/_fbDbFJGRmD8/R9q9gPtFDhI/AAAAAAAAAB8/LZmw1YsTEtE/S220/reppert.jpg'/></author><thr:total>11</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38436816.post-70976112592995855</id><published>2008-06-26T23:08:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2008-06-26T23:12:23.141-07:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='the unity of consciousness'/><title type='text'>The Unity of Consciousness (again)</title><content type='html'>V. The Argument from the Unity of Consciousness&lt;br /&gt;Consider once again the inference “All men are mortal, Socrates is a man, therefore Socrates is mortal.” Now if there is one entity, namely me, that has all these thoughts, then it might be supposed that we have a rational inference here. If Bill has the thought “All men are mortal,” and Dennis has the thought “Socrates is a man,” and I have the thought “Socrates is mortal,” then we have a problem. No one person has actually performed the inference, and so the inference has not been performed at all.&lt;br /&gt;Hasker, who has been both one of the chief proponents of the Argument from the Unity of Consciousness and the Argument from Reason, nevertheless thinks that there are separate arguments, and that the argument from the unity of consciousness should not be counted among the arguments from reason. Carrier thinks the argument is really an argument from consciousness rather than an argument from reason, and he thinks that in the last analysis what is plausible in the arguments from reason is simply the argument from consciousness. As Hasker put it, “The issue of unity of consciousness, after all, applies to conscious states that are in no way concerned with reasoning, including the states of sentient beings incapable of reason.”&lt;br /&gt;True enough. But some people, confronted with the problem of the unity of consciousness, attempt to show that this unity is an illusion of some kind. I have in mind Dennett’s “multiple drafts” model from Consciousness Explained, and other theories like it. According to Susan Blackmore,&lt;br /&gt;Each illusory self is a construct of the memetic world in which it successfully competes. Each selfplex gives rise to ordinary human consciousness based on the false idea that there is something inside who is in charge.&lt;br /&gt;Or Steven Pinker, who writes,&lt;br /&gt;There’s considerable evidence that the unified self is a fiction—that the mind is a congeries of parts acting a synchronously, and that it is only an illusion that there’s a president in the Oval Office of the brain who oversees the activity of everything.&lt;br /&gt;Now if this is really true, if there is really no one individual who thinks the thoughts we think, then it follows straightforwardly that no one performs any rational inferences, including the rational inferences that have been used to reach the conclusion that the unified self is a fiction.&lt;br /&gt;Now a philosophical naturalist can be a fictionalist about all sorts of things, but he cannot be a fictionalist about the sorts of inferences scientists make. So the Argument from Reason comes to the aid of the Argument from the Unity of Consciousness, and block the "eliminativist" response with respect to the unity of consciousness.&lt;br /&gt;Kant argued, in the Second Paralogism&lt;br /&gt;Every composite substance is an aggregate of several substances, and the action of a composite, or whatever inheres in it as thus composite, is an aggregate of several actions or accidents, distributed among the plurality of substances. Now an effect which arises from the concurrence of many acting substances is indeed possible, namely, when this effect is external only (as, for instance, the motion of a body is the combined motion of all it parts). But with thoughts, as internal accidents belonging to a thinking being, it is different. For suppose it be the composite that thinks: then every part of it would be part of the thought, and only all of them taken together would be the whole thought. But this cannot be consistently maintained. For representations (for instance, the single words of a verse) distributed among different beings, never make up a whole thought (a verse) and it is therefore impossible that a thought should inhere in what is essentially composite. It is therefore possible only in a single substance, which, not being an aggregate of many, is absolutely simple.&lt;br /&gt;A formalization of the argument, which is developed in William Hasker’s The Emergent Self, goes as follows:&lt;br /&gt;1. I am aware of my present visual field as a unity; in other words, the various components of the field are experienced by a single subject simultaneously.&lt;br /&gt;2. Only something that functions as a whole rather than as a system of parts could experience a visual field as a unity.&lt;br /&gt;3. Therefore, the subject functions as a whole rather than as a system of parts.&lt;br /&gt;4. The brain and nervous system, and the entire body, is nothing more than a collection of physical parts organized in a certain way. (In other words, holism is false).&lt;br /&gt;5. Therefore, the brain and nervous system cannot function as a whole; it must function as a system of parts.&lt;br /&gt;6. Therefore, the subject is not the brain and nervous system (or the body, etc).&lt;br /&gt;7. If the subject is not the brain and nervous system then it is (or contains as a proper part) a non-physical mind or “soul”, that is, a mind that is not ontologically reducible to the sorts of entities studied in the physical sciences. Such a mind, even if it is extended in space, could function as a whole rather than as a system of parts and so could be aware of my present visual field as a unity.&lt;br /&gt;8. Therefore the subject is a soul, or contains a soul as part of itself.&lt;br /&gt;Hasker’s example is the synchronic unity of being aware of my visual field, but in rational inference we find a diachronic unity; the inferring subject, who holds the premises of the argument in mind and draws the conclusion from them.&lt;br /&gt;Now it will not do to simply point out that the brain is a highly complex system that is interconnected functionally and has billions of neurons. A genuine physical system is a system whose properties must be “summative” properties of its proper parts. If that is what a brain is, then no matter how complex it is, it is a set of parts.&lt;br /&gt;A braking system of a car, a nutcracker, and even a chess-playing computer are all systems whose operations are the sums of the operations of their proper parts. Sometimes human beings are able to provide a framework of meaning for these objects that, if taken literally, would attribute to the system characteristics that they lack individually. But in human consciousness we find a subjective unity.&lt;br /&gt;Carrier responds to this argument by sayingBut the point is the same: just as a collection of cells can organize and cooperate into a body that can walk—even though no one of those cells can walk at all or even has legs, much less the other needed organs, like hearts and lungs—so also can a collection of brain systems organize and cooperate into a mind that can think. And it does this by producing the virtual appearance of a singularity of consciousness, just as it produces the mere appearance that unified patches of color exist—when in fact only streams of various distinct particles exist.&lt;br /&gt;But I am not talking about a unity of function that can exist in a braking system, I am talking about a unity of perspective experienced by the thinking agent itself. When a person infers “Socrates is mortal” from “All men are mortal” and “Socrates is a man,” that person infers the conclusion from his own perspective. There are truths that we know from a first-person perspective that cannot be known from any other perspective. For example, the truth that “I am Victor Reppert” is significant from my own perspective that cannot be discovered from a physical perspective. By taking an outside, third-person point of view, something is invariably lost.&lt;br /&gt;It seems to me that Carrier, like Blackmore and Pinker, has fallen back on the fictionalist view of the unity of consciousness. But this position, I maintain, undermines rational inference.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/38436816-70976112592995855?l=dangerousidea2.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://dangerousidea2.blogspot.com/feeds/70976112592995855/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=38436816&amp;postID=70976112592995855' title='27 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/38436816/posts/default/70976112592995855'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/38436816/posts/default/70976112592995855'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://dangerousidea2.blogspot.com/2008/06/unity-of-consciousness-again.html' title='The Unity of Consciousness (again)'/><author><name>Victor Reppert</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/10962948073162156902</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='29' height='32' src='http://bp1.blogger.com/_fbDbFJGRmD8/R9q9gPtFDhI/AAAAAAAAAB8/LZmw1YsTEtE/S220/reppert.jpg'/></author><thr:total>27</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38436816.post-6821768085403548108</id><published>2008-06-13T20:36:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2008-06-13T20:40:28.956-07:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='substance dualism'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Lycan'/><title type='text'>Lycan's four objections to substance dualism</title><content type='html'>Josh Hickok, on Pretentious Apologetics, responds to four objections to substance dualism by William &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_0"&gt;Lycan&lt;/span&gt;. Interestingly enough, &lt;a href="http://www.unc.edu/%7Eujanel/Du.htm"&gt;&lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_1"&gt;Lycan&lt;/span&gt; himself&lt;/a&gt; seems to have moved away from a strong commitments to the objections to substance dualism, now claiming that they are overrated. However, Keith Parsons gave those arguments against dualism in our &lt;span style="font-style: italic;" class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_2"&gt;Philosophia&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt; Christi&lt;/span&gt; exchange in 2003, and I responded to those objections as follows: "Some Supernatural Reasons Why My Critics are Wrong", &lt;span style="font-style: italic;" class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_3"&gt;Philosophia&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt; Christ&lt;/span&gt;i vol. 5. no. 1 (2003).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);" class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_4"&gt;Lycan&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);"&gt; argues that Cartesian minds do not fit with out otherwise physical and scientific picture of the world and that they are not needed to explain any known phenomenon. But this argument seems to assume that my argument to the contrary is incorrect; if my argument is successful then we need something inherently rational to explain the existence of reason in the world. So simply to assert that we do not need souls to explain any known phenomenon is to beg the question against my argument, since my argument maintains that something &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);" class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_5"&gt;nonmechanistic&lt;/span&gt; must explain our capacity to reason. And it is not the case &lt;span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);" class="blsp-spelling-corrected" id="SPELLING_ERROR_6"&gt;that&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);"&gt; we know nothing about such a soul. We know, as a consequence of the argument, both that it is governed by reason and that reason reason can be a basic explanation for what it does.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; &lt;span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);"&gt;Second, &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);" class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_7"&gt;Lycan&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);"&gt; says that since human beings evolved over &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);" class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_8"&gt;aeons&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);"&gt; by purely physical processes of random mutation and natural selection, it is anomalous to suppose that Mother Nature created Cartesian minds in addition to cells and physical organs. Again, this assumes a strong version of evolutionary imperialism that is certainly open to dispute. If my argument is successful, then the human mind could not have arisen through a purely physical process of mutation and &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);" class="blsp-spelling-corrected" id="SPELLING_ERROR_9"&gt;natural&lt;/span&gt; selection, for, if it had, we would not have been able to discover that we arose through a purely physical process of mutation and natural selection. On the other hand, if theism is true, then it is hardly beyond the powers of Omnipotence to create souls or to give matter the capacity to generate souls.&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; &lt;span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);"&gt;Third, &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);" class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_10"&gt;Lycan&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);"&gt; says that if minds are &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);" class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_11"&gt;nonspatial&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);"&gt;, how can they interact with physical objects in space? First, I never said that souls were not in space, so I do not see why I have to take this objection seriously (unlike Descartes, who explicitly denied the &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);" class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_12"&gt;spatiality&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);"&gt; of souls). Second, I have never heard anyone argue that since God is not in space, God could not create the world (a causal interaction if there ever was one). So if this is a good argument against dualism, the atheists have been missing out on a good argument for atheism. But it certainly seems logically possible for something &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);" class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_13"&gt;that&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);"&gt; is not in space to interact with something that is in space; the claim that it is impossible is all too often made as a bald assertion, without argumentative support.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; &lt;span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);"&gt;The violation of conservation laws does not strike me as a serious problem either, because the laws of nature tell you what happens when nothing outside the system interferes with it. If we are thinking of the soul as outside the physical order, and conservation laws tell us what will happen within the physical order, then it does not violate those laws if something from the outside that order causes something to occur that would not have happened otherwise. The argument &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);" class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_14"&gt;works&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);"&gt; only if &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);" class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_15"&gt;physicalism&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);"&gt; is true, and thus begs the question.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/38436816-6821768085403548108?l=dangerousidea2.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='related' href='http://pretentiousapologetics.wordpress.com/2008/06/06/lycans-four-objections-to-substance-dualism/#comment-26' title='Lycan&apos;s four objections to substance dualism'/><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://dangerousidea2.blogspot.com/feeds/6821768085403548108/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=38436816&amp;postID=6821768085403548108' title='8 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/38436816/posts/default/6821768085403548108'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/38436816/posts/default/6821768085403548108'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://dangerousidea2.blogspot.com/2008/06/lycans-four-objections-to-substance.html' title='Lycan&apos;s four objections to substance dualism'/><author><name>Victor Reppert</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/10962948073162156902</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='29' height='32' src='http://bp1.blogger.com/_fbDbFJGRmD8/R9q9gPtFDhI/AAAAAAAAAB8/LZmw1YsTEtE/S220/reppert.jpg'/></author><thr:total>8</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38436816.post-8331619112293500578</id><published>2008-06-05T23:55:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2008-06-05T23:57:43.544-07:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='the argument from mental causation'/><title type='text'>A formalization of the argument from mental causation</title><content type='html'>1. Physical states are indeterminate with respect to intentional content. Given the state of the physical, there is a plurality of intentional states that are logically compatible with the state of the physical. In fact, any set of physical facts is logically compatible with the complete nonexistence of intentional states whatsoever. &lt;br /&gt;2.  If a broadly materialist world-view is correct, then the physical is causally closed. Nothing over and above the physical state of the world can be responsible for a subsequent physical or mental state. &lt;br /&gt;3.  Therefore, if there are mental states, and those mental states have determinate mental content, then that determinate mental content is causally irrelevant to the future course of nature.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/38436816-8331619112293500578?l=dangerousidea2.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://dangerousidea2.blogspot.com/feeds/8331619112293500578/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=38436816&amp;postID=8331619112293500578' title='79 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/38436816/posts/default/8331619112293500578'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/38436816/posts/default/8331619112293500578'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' 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philosophy of perception'/><author><name>Victor Reppert</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/10962948073162156902</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='29' height='32' src='http://bp1.blogger.com/_fbDbFJGRmD8/R9q9gPtFDhI/AAAAAAAAAB8/LZmw1YsTEtE/S220/reppert.jpg'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38436816.post-4749037117452189593</id><published>2008-06-02T12:50:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2008-06-02T12:51:38.403-07:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='philosophy of perception'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='direct realism'/><title type='text'>Vallicella on the Scientific Objection to Direct Realism</title><content type='html'>&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/38436816-4749037117452189593?l=dangerousidea2.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='related' href='http://maverickphilosopher.powerblogs.com/posts/1148420804.shtml' title='Vallicella on the Scientific Objection to Direct Realism'/><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://dangerousidea2.blogspot.com/feeds/4749037117452189593/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=38436816&amp;postID=4749037117452189593' title='8 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/38436816/posts/default/4749037117452189593'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/38436816/posts/default/4749037117452189593'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://dangerousidea2.blogspot.com/2008/06/vallicella-on-scientific-objection-to.html' title='Vallicella on the Scientific Objection to Direct Realism'/><author><name>Victor Reppert</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/10962948073162156902</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='29' height='32' src='http://bp1.blogger.com/_fbDbFJGRmD8/R9q9gPtFDhI/AAAAAAAAAB8/LZmw1YsTEtE/S220/reppert.jpg'/></author><thr:total>8</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38436816.post-7206436539871635247</id><published>2008-05-30T08:39:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2008-05-30T08:40:37.625-07:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='indirect realism'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Feser'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='direct realism'/><title type='text'>Do We Preceive Physical Objects Directly? Maybe not</title><content type='html'>Do we perceive physical objects directly, or are the immediate objects of our experience our own sense-data, which may be caused by some state of the physical world? Given that we can certainly have non-veridical experiences, what are we aware of in those cases? What is the direct object of our awareness?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Lewis wrote: “It is clear that everything we know, beyond our immediate sensations, is inferred from those sensations.” He goes on to say&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0);"&gt;“I do not mean to say that we begin, as children, by regarding our sensations as “evidence” and then arguing consciously to the existence of space, time, matter, and other people. I mean that, if we are old enough to understand the question, our confidence in the existence of anything else is challenged, our argument in defence of it will have to take the form of inferences from our immediate sensations. Put in its most general form the inference would run “Since I am presented with colours, sounds, shapes pleasures, and pains which I cannot perfectly predict and control, and since the more I investigate them the more regular their behaviour appears, therefore there must exist something other than myself and it must be systematic&lt;/span&gt;.”&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In my study of this passage, and contrary to John Beversluis, I have supposed that this passage is compatible with what is called the direct realist position on perception. We could perceive physical objects directly, nevertheless perhaps when we are challenged about those perceptions we perform inferences in defense of the veridicality of those perceptions.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Nonetheless, we might ask whether direct realism is correct. Edward Feser, in his book Philosophy of Mind: A Short Introduction (Oneworld, 2005), suggests that there is a powerful argument for the indirect realist view of perception:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(102, 0, 204);"&gt;1. By stimulating the brain so as artificially to produce a neural process that is normally associated with a certain veridical experience, it is possible in principle to bring about a hallucination that is subjectively indistinguishable from that experience.&lt;br /&gt;2. But if the immediate causes of veridical perceptual experiences and their hallucinatory counterparts are of the same sort, then these effects must be of the same sort as well.&lt;br /&gt;3. In the case of hallucinations, the effect is obviously direct awareness not of any external physical object, but rather of a subjective mental, perceptual, representation of an external object.&lt;br /&gt;4. So in the case of veridical perceptual experiences too, what one is directly aware of must be a subjective perceptual representation.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So, do we perceive physical objects directly? And, if we don’t, does this have any effect on the debate between materialists and their opponents?&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/38436816-7206436539871635247?l=dangerousidea2.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://dangerousidea2.blogspot.com/feeds/7206436539871635247/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=38436816&amp;postID=7206436539871635247' title='3 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/38436816/posts/default/7206436539871635247'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/38436816/posts/default/7206436539871635247'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://dangerousidea2.blogspot.com/2008/05/do-we-preceive-physical-objects.html' title='Do We Preceive Physical Objects Directly? Maybe not'/><author><name>Victor Reppert</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/10962948073162156902</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='29' height='32' src='http://bp1.blogger.com/_fbDbFJGRmD8/R9q9gPtFDhI/AAAAAAAAAB8/LZmw1YsTEtE/S220/reppert.jpg'/></author><thr:total>3</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38436816.post-45098126294575429</id><published>2008-04-30T12:10:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2008-04-30T12:11:13.413-07:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='transcendental arguments'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Hasker'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='skeptical threats and best explanations'/><title type='text'>Hasker on skeptical threats, best explanations, and transcendental arguments</title><content type='html'>&lt;p class="MsoBodyTextIndent2"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;A redated post.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoBodyTextIndent2"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoBodyTextIndent2"&gt;William Hasker, however, while previously endorsing the gist of my claim that the argument should be a best explanation argument rather than a skeptical threat argument, offered another suggestion in his mostly friendly response to me in &lt;i&gt;Philosophia Christi&lt;/i&gt;. He wrote: &lt;/p&gt;   &lt;p class="MsoBodyTextIndent2" style="margin-left: 0.5in; text-indent: 0in;"&gt;However, if the Skeptical Threat strategy claims too much for the Argument from Reason, there is a danger that the Best Explanation strategy may claim too little. On the face of it, this strategy seems to invite the following kind of response: “It may be true that we naturalists have not, so far, produced a satisfying explanation for the process of rational inference. But there is nothing especially surprising or alarming about this fact. Finding good scientific explanations is hard work and often takes considerable time, and the relevant sciences are still in their infancy. We must simply be prepared to wait a bit longer, until we reach the stage where the desired explanations can be developed. &lt;/p&gt;   &lt;p class="MsoBodyTextIndent2" style="text-indent: 0in;"&gt;He then makes the following recommendation: &lt;/p&gt;   &lt;p class="MsoBodyTextIndent2" style="margin-left: 0.5in; text-indent: 0in;"&gt;The objection is not merely that naturalism has not yet produced an explanation of rational inference and the like, as though this were a deficiency that could be remedied by another decade or so of scientific research. The problem is that the naturalist is committed to certain assumptions that preclude in principle any explanation of the sort required. The key assumptions are three in number: mechanism (the view that fundamental physical explanations are nonteleological), the causal closure of the physical domain, and the supervenience of the mental on the physical. So long as these assumptions remain, no amount of ingenious computer modeling can possibly fill the explanatory gap. In order to bring out this feature of the situation, I propose that the first two stages of the Argument from Reason are best viewed as a transcendental argument in roughly the Kantian sense: They specify the conditions which are required for experience of a certain sort to be possible—in this case the kind of experience found in the performance of rational inference. . &lt;/p&gt;   &lt;p class="MsoBodyTextIndent2" style="text-indent: 0in;"&gt;I have already discussed the transcendental impact of the arguments from reason, and I think Hasker’s suggestion is a good one. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/38436816-45098126294575429?l=dangerousidea2.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://dangerousidea2.blogspot.com/feeds/45098126294575429/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=38436816&amp;postID=45098126294575429' title='7 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/38436816/posts/default/45098126294575429'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/38436816/posts/default/45098126294575429'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://dangerousidea2.blogspot.com/2007/11/hasker-on-skeptical-threats-best.html' title='Hasker on skeptical threats, best explanations, and transcendental arguments'/><author><name>Victor Reppert</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/10962948073162156902</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='29' height='32' src='http://bp1.blogger.com/_fbDbFJGRmD8/R9q9gPtFDhI/AAAAAAAAAB8/LZmw1YsTEtE/S220/reppert.jpg'/></author><thr:total>7</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38436816.post-6508654275162053276</id><published>2008-04-24T22:10:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2008-04-24T22:24:22.515-07:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='P Z Myers'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Angus Menuge'/><title type='text'>Menuge debates P Z Myers</title><content type='html'>&lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-align: center; line-height: normal;" align="center"&gt;“Does Neuroscience Leave Room for God?”&lt;/p&gt;     &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-align: center; line-height: normal;" align="center"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--&gt; &lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;     &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-align: center; line-height: normal;" align="center"&gt;My debate with Dr. PZ&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Myers at &lt;/p&gt;     &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-align: center; line-height: normal;" align="center"&gt;University of Minnesota at Morris,&lt;/p&gt;     &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-align: center; line-height: normal;" align="center"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt; &lt;/span&gt;8pm-10:30pm, Saturday, April 19&lt;sup&gt;th&lt;/sup&gt;, 2008&lt;/p&gt;     &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-align: center; line-height: normal;" align="center"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--&gt; &lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;     &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-align: center; line-height: normal;" align="center"&gt;by&lt;/p&gt;     &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-align: center; line-height: normal;" align="center"&gt;Dr. Angus J. L. &lt;span style=""&gt; &lt;/span&gt;Menuge&lt;/p&gt;     &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 6pt; line-height: normal;"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--&gt; &lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;     &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;b style=""&gt;1.&lt;span style=""&gt;          &lt;/span&gt;Format of the debate&lt;/b&gt;.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;The debate was moderated as follows: each of us had a maximum of 40 minutes to present our case. Then there was a maximum of 30 minutes in which Dr. Myers and I could probe each other’s position with questions.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Finally, we opened to the floor and members of the audience could ask questions of either speaker.&lt;/p&gt;     &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;b style=""&gt;2.&lt;span style=""&gt;       &lt;/span&gt;My presentation&lt;/b&gt;.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;I presented first and made three main points. &lt;/p&gt;     &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;(1)&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;First, I argued that materialism is presumed true before looking at the evidence. Richard Lewontin has admitted that he holds to materialism in science as an &lt;i style=""&gt;a priori&lt;/i&gt; assumption. &lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;My main points were that inflexible adherence to materialism could prevent us from finding the truth, and weakens the claim to have found the best explanation by eliminating competitors to materialism without considering them. &lt;span style=""&gt; &lt;/span&gt;But what about those who claim that materialism has such an amazing track record, we should have a presumption in its favor?&lt;/p&gt;     &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;(2) My second main point was that materialism does &lt;b style=""&gt;not&lt;/b&gt; have such an impressive track record. I noted that Christian theology, not materialism, played a substantive role in the rise of modern science, by justifying belief in laws of nature and in minds reliable enough to discover them.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;I noted the “Argument from Reason” against Evolutionary Naturalism, which points out that Evolutionary Naturalism predicts minds equipped with useful gadgets, but not ones attuned to discovering truth, especially in theoretical matters having nothing to do with basic survival.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;By contrast, rational theism predicts that our minds are attuned to the laws of nature, since both reflect the same divine logos. &lt;/p&gt;     &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt; &lt;/span&gt;Moving closer to the central issue of the debate, I argued that there is considerable evidence against the materialist contention that the mind reduces to the brain.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;There is the “hard problem” of consciousness, that subjective awareness is not explained or predicted by impersonally described states of the brain.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Then there is the evidence from neuroscientists such as Jeff Schwartz and Mario Beauregard that, in addition to the bottom-up influence of the brain on the mind, the mind has a top-down influence on the brain (cognitive therapies that exploit neuroplasticity) and on health (psychoneuroimmunology).&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;I focused on how these approaches gave hope to patients by showing that their own conscious choices could play a role in their recovery and health.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;I also mentioned the remarkable studies of Near Death Experiences by Pim van Lommel. &lt;span style=""&gt; &lt;/span&gt;I held up and recommended Jeff Schwartz and Sharon Begley’s &lt;i style=""&gt;The Mind and the Brain&lt;/i&gt;, and Mario Beauregard and Denyse O’ Leary’s &lt;i style=""&gt;The Spiritual Brain&lt;/i&gt;, and said that if someone is a true skeptic, they should be skeptical of materialism as well as of non-materialistic claims.&lt;/p&gt;     &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;(3) My third point was to critique the slew of contemporary materialist attempts to explain away religious belief and experience.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;I noted that a culture of 1-way skepticism encourages both a presumption that supernatural religions are false without investigating the evidence for their truth claims, and also credulous acceptance of unsubstantiated materialist speculations, such as the “God gene” and “God spot” theories, all of which can be decisively refuted.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;I then investigate the claim that religion is a “virus of the mind,” and argue that the underlying theory of memes would either discredit everyone’s beliefs or, if it does not, require us to check out the actual evidence for or against them.&lt;/p&gt;     &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;b style=""&gt;3.&lt;span style=""&gt;       &lt;/span&gt;Dr. P Z Myers’ presentation&lt;/b&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;     &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;          &lt;/span&gt;Dr. Myers focused mainly on defining the terms “science” and “God.”&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;He argued that science can only work with what is measurable, and that “God” cannot be defined in a way that is measurable, and so God/theology are irrelevant to science.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;He claimed that scientists must accept the rule methodological materialism, according to which scientists can believe in any religion they want, but, within science, must restrict themselves to considering only material causes.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;He likened the scientist to the plumber who must work at the level of what physically works.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Indeed, Dr. Myers asserted that science is not about truth, but about what works, and that God is irrelevant to science because “God” is not a tractable concept.&lt;/p&gt;     &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;          &lt;/span&gt;Dr. Myers held up a large standard volume on neuroscience, and asserted that it was better than Schwartz’s and Beauregard’s books, apparently because it was bigger!&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;He then showed some interesting slides detailing the standard “homunculus” model of the brain, mapping various sensations and bodily functions to parts of the brain. He acknowledged the reality of neuroplasticity, but claimed that this could all be understood in terms of chemical processes in the brain, without appeal to consciousness. Yet, interestingly, he admitted that no-one could explain consciousness. Dr. Myers also mentioned a recent scientific experiment showing that in advance of conscious awareness of decision, there is already a 60% probability of action.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;(He did not, however, claim that this showed there was no free will, and since the result was so recent and under-analyzed, I chose not to take the bait.)&lt;/p&gt;     &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;          &lt;/span&gt;The remainder of Myers’ presentation was focused on the case for the brain’s bottom-up influence on the brain, including the impact of neural deficits and degeneration through illness and age. &lt;span style=""&gt; &lt;/span&gt;At one point he made the quite absurd suggestion that some people seem to think that neurons have nothing to do with it!&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Since I had argued for neuroplascticity and psychoneuroimmunology, this was a bit hard to take. &lt;span style=""&gt; &lt;/span&gt;I suppose it was an exaggeration or a joke, designed to make dualists look silly. &lt;span style=""&gt; &lt;/span&gt;Dr. Myers’ presentation was frankly depressing, because it left the impression that we are passive products of physical causes, with no ability to take control of our health.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Myers did try to claim that he could account for some of the studies I had mentioned, but in terms of one part of the brain taking charge of another.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;The talk included relatively&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;few slides, some of them showing the plight of family members. &lt;/p&gt;     &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;b style=""&gt;4.&lt;span style=""&gt;       &lt;/span&gt;Our discussion/debate.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;     &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;          &lt;/span&gt;Myers was surprisingly passive in debate and did not really seem eager to spar.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;I got the sense that he had previously dismissed me as another creationist “ID-iot,” and that he was not really prepared for me to make a serious case. Here are some of the main points of our discussion.&lt;/p&gt;     &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt; &lt;/span&gt;(1) While I agreed with Myers about the evidence of bottom-up causation, I argued that this did not negate the evidence of top-down causation. To refute the idea that consciousness must simply be generated by the brain, I used the analogy of a telephone. If someone calls and we drop the phone and break it, we no longer hear the voice, but the voice is not generated by the phone: the phone transmits it.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Likewise the fact that certain thoughts&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;are impossible with neural deficits does not show that the brain generates our thoughts or that our mind is simply a passive shadow of the brain.&lt;/p&gt;     &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;(2) I noted that at the end of his review of &lt;i style=""&gt;The God Delusion&lt;/i&gt;, Michael Ruse had argued that if the likes of Richard Dawkins continue to claim that Darwinian evolution inevitably supports atheism, then teaching Darwinian evolution in schools would violate the first amendment. &lt;span style=""&gt; &lt;/span&gt;Was not the approach to science advocated by Myers likewise against the constitution?&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;In response, Myers said that science only uses methodological materialism, so it does not technically exclude religion, saying that he knew scientists who were Christian who subscribed to Methodological Materialism. &lt;span style=""&gt; &lt;/span&gt;(What he did not address was the distinction between those theists who believe in the natural knowledge of God and those who do not. Methodological Materialism favors secular humanists and those theists unconcerned about the natural knowledge of God and discriminates against those who believe God worked detectably in nature by preventing them from exploring scientific evidence for their point of view.)&lt;/p&gt;     &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;(3)Wishing to expose the way Methodological Materialism can be held indefinitely, no matter what the evidence, I challenged Myers to define what could convince him that materialism was false, pointing out that if all materialist explanations were working or very promising, I could be persuaded that theism was false. &lt;span style=""&gt; &lt;/span&gt;He dodged the question saying it was too hypothetical. I did not get the impression that he has seriously considered the question of what it would be like to learn materialism is false.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;How, then, can he claim that the materialism of science is purely methodological, which implies it could be dropped if it fails to work in some areas?&lt;/p&gt;     &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt; &lt;/span&gt;(4) I also argued that Myers’ attempt to reduce science to the physically measurable was inadequate, because science postulates theoretical entities that may or may not turn out to be observable. Mendel postulated genes, and these were later shown to be observable. In physics, however, there are plenty of entities (particles, forces, strings etc.) that are at the least unobserved, and also measurement itself presupposes such abstractions as logic and numbers that are inherently unobservable.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;I agreed with Myers that science should try to get the tractable and observable if it can, but argued that science should not give up if the best evidence points away from the observable.&lt;span style=""&gt;   &lt;/span&gt;In my view, Myers is maintaining a positivistic view of science which limits science to what is verifiable by observation, but this does not square with Quantum Physics for example, particularly as it recognizes the role of the conscious observer in influencing what is measured.&lt;/p&gt;     &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;(5) I asked Myers why, if science was neutral, there were so few studies of the psychology and neurology of atheists and secular humanists, given all the attempts to explain away theistic belief and experience. He surprised me by noting that Schwartz and Beauregard are Christians, suggesting that only theists were interested in the question. This did not jive with all the studies by secularists of the psychology and neurology of atheists cited by Beauregard.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;I also noted the 3 million dollar European project, “Explaining Religion,” cited in The Economist, March 19&lt;sup&gt;th&lt;/sup&gt;, 2008 (“Where angels no longer fear to tread”).&lt;/p&gt;     &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;(6) I also asked why, if science was a free inquiry, Guillermo Gonzalez had been so shabbily treated at Iowa State University.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Myers claimed that this was because he had not brought in enough grant money. I pointed out that Gonzalez had 68 peer reviewed science articles, was author of a Cambridge text on astronomy, and that the emails acquired through Iowa’s open record laws showed that Gonzalez’s tenure was denied because of his pro-design views.&lt;/p&gt;     &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt; &lt;/span&gt;(7) Myers and I sparred on the fine-tuning argument. He asserted that there was nothing surprising: we wouldn’t be here if it hadn’t happened. I mentioned John Leslie’s analogy: suppose you are scheduled to be executed by 200 sharpshooters.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;It would not be a convincing explanation of them all missing, &lt;span style=""&gt; &lt;/span&gt;that unless they had, you wouldn’t be here. We would want to know if there was an order from above, a conspiracy, a flaw in the manufacture of the guns, etc.&lt;/p&gt;     &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;I had two very big surprises.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;First, Dr. Myers denied being a Darwinist, which produced the kind of stunned silence one would expect if the Pope announced his non-Catholicity.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Myers’ stated grounds were that Darwin has been dead for over a hundred years. I wished I had pointed out that I am on many issues a Platonist, even though Plato has been dead for 2400 years. &lt;span style=""&gt; &lt;/span&gt;Second, as I mentioned, Myers denied that science is really about truth.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;I had to wonder why it was so important for him &lt;span style=""&gt; &lt;/span&gt;to exclude design from science if all that matters is what works. &lt;span style=""&gt; &lt;/span&gt;After all, I had noted earlier on in my presentation that the Darwinist philosopher Michael Ruse agrees that methodological design does work in biology by helping scientists decode the machinery of life.&lt;/p&gt;     &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;At the end, I made Myers the offer of trying to set up a special issue of a journal where he could bring in his “cronies” and I could bring in mine to discuss the issue. He found the idea amusing and, so far as I could tell, not without appeal. &lt;span style=""&gt; &lt;/span&gt;I do not know if this will happen, but I am going to look into it.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/38436816-6508654275162053276?l=dangerousidea2.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://dangerousidea2.blogspot.com/feeds/6508654275162053276/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=38436816&amp;postID=6508654275162053276' title='14 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/38436816/posts/default/6508654275162053276'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/38436816/posts/default/6508654275162053276'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://dangerousidea2.blogspot.com/2008/04/menuge-debates-p-z-myers.html' title='Menuge debates P Z Myers'/><author><name>Victor Reppert</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/10962948073162156902</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='29' height='32' src='http://bp1.blogger.com/_fbDbFJGRmD8/R9q9gPtFDhI/AAAAAAAAAB8/LZmw1YsTEtE/S220/reppert.jpg'/></author><thr:total>14</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38436816.post-5666657023210569073</id><published>2008-04-06T00:13:00.001-07:00</published><updated>2008-04-06T00:14:08.200-07:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Richard Carrier'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Darek Barefoot'/><title type='text'>Darek's reply to Carrier</title><content type='html'>This is Darek's reply to Richard Carrier. I think it is a very effective response.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/38436816-5666657023210569073?l=dangerousidea2.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='related' href='http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/darek_barefoot/dangerous.html' title='Darek&apos;s reply to Carrier'/><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://dangerousidea2.blogspot.com/feeds/5666657023210569073/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=38436816&amp;postID=5666657023210569073' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/38436816/posts/default/5666657023210569073'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/38436816/posts/default/5666657023210569073'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://dangerousidea2.blogspot.com/2008/04/dareks-reply-to-carrier.html' title='Darek&apos;s reply to Carrier'/><author><name>Victor Reppert</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/10962948073162156902</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='29' height='32' src='http://bp1.blogger.com/_fbDbFJGRmD8/R9q9gPtFDhI/AAAAAAAAAB8/LZmw1YsTEtE/S220/reppert.jpg'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38436816.post-478613350510878741</id><published>2008-04-03T23:16:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2008-04-03T23:18:18.118-07:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='The Argument from Reason'/><title type='text'>I'm getting fried on the Internet Infidels Discussion Board again</title><content type='html'>Same old stuff. It's an appeal to ignorance, Carrier refuted me back in 2004, apologists are are dishonest because, after all, they're apologists you know. It's late and I'm tired.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/38436816-478613350510878741?l=dangerousidea2.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='related' href='http://iidb.infidels.org/vbb/showthread.php?t=239018' title='I&apos;m getting fried on the Internet Infidels Discussion Board again'/><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://dangerousidea2.blogspot.com/feeds/478613350510878741/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=38436816&amp;postID=478613350510878741' title='5 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/38436816/posts/default/478613350510878741'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/38436816/posts/default/478613350510878741'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://dangerousidea2.blogspot.com/2008/04/im-getting-fried-on-internet-infidels.html' title='I&apos;m getting fried on the Internet Infidels Discussion Board again'/><author><name>Victor Reppert</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/10962948073162156902</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='29' height='32' src='http://bp1.blogger.com/_fbDbFJGRmD8/R9q9gPtFDhI/AAAAAAAAAB8/LZmw1YsTEtE/S220/reppert.jpg'/></author><thr:total>5</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38436816.post-6983597358048084362</id><published>2008-04-03T18:50:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2008-04-03T18:58:28.483-07:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='knowledge'/><title type='text'>Picking up a point of BDK's</title><content type='html'>In a previous dialogue BDK wrote:  &lt;span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);"&gt;Regardless of my argument that a child with no epistemology training can know X, would you agree with the conclusion that a naive child can have such knowledge (i.e., that observation judgments can be knowledge)?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; &lt;span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);"&gt;I'm not asking for an analysis of &lt;/span&gt;&lt;i style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);"&gt;why&lt;/i&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);"&gt; they are knowledge, but if you think they do not constitute knowledge, then we definitely will not get any further. If you do there might be interesting questions at that point. So, can a philosophically naive child know X in the way I've described?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"&gt;BDK: I'm interested in BDK's conception of philosophical naivete. Does this child know how to use the term "I know?" It seems to me that long before one takes philosophy one knows how to  use the word know and can distinguish knowledge from "just guessing."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Can one know without knowing how to use the word "know?" My intuition says yes.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This isn't supposed to prove a point with respect to the argument from reason, one way or the other.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/38436816-6983597358048084362?l=dangerousidea2.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://dangerousidea2.blogspot.com/feeds/6983597358048084362/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=38436816&amp;postID=6983597358048084362' title='16 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/38436816/posts/default/6983597358048084362'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/38436816/posts/default/6983597358048084362'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://dangerousidea2.blogspot.com/2008/04/picking-up-point-of-bdks.html' title='Picking up a point of BDK&apos;s'/><author><name>Victor Reppert</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/10962948073162156902</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='29' height='32' src='http://bp1.blogger.com/_fbDbFJGRmD8/R9q9gPtFDhI/AAAAAAAAAB8/LZmw1YsTEtE/S220/reppert.jpg'/></author><thr:total>16</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38436816.post-1746415799629647787</id><published>2008-03-23T23:27:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2008-03-23T23:29:30.398-07:00</updated><title type='text'>Four Features of the Mental</title><content type='html'>&lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: 200%;"&gt;There are four features of the mental which someone who denies the ultimacy of mind maintain must not be found on the rock bottom level of the universe. The first mark of the mental is purpose. If there is purpose in the world, it betokens the existence of a mind that has that purpose. So for anyone who denies the ultimacy of the mind, an explanation in terms of purposes requires a further non-purposive explanation to account for the purpose explanation. The second mark of the mental is intentionality or about-ness. Genuinely non-mental states are not about anything at all. The third mark of the mental is normativity. If there is normativity, there has to be a mind for which something is normative. A normative explanation must be explained further in terms of the non-normative. Finally, the fourth mark of the mental is subjectivity. If there is a perspective from which something is viewed, that means, once again, that a mind is present. A genuinely non-mental account of a state of affairs will leave out of account anything that indicates what it is like to be in that state. &lt;/p&gt;   &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: 200%;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;            &lt;/span&gt;If the mind is not ultimate, then any explanation that is given in terms of any of these four marks must be given a further explanation in which these marks are washed out of the equation. &lt;/p&gt;   &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: 200%;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;                        &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;            &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;            &lt;/span&gt;IV. Minimal Materialism&lt;/p&gt;   &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: 200%;"&gt;There seem to be three minimal characteristics of a world-view which affirms that the mind is not ultimate. First, the “basic level” must be mechanistic, and by that I mean that it is free of purpose, free of intentionality, free of normativity, and free of subjectivity. It is not implied here that a naturalistic world must be deterministic. However, whatever is not deterministic in such a world is brute chance and nothing more. &lt;/p&gt;   &lt;p class="MsoBodyTextIndent2" style="text-indent: 0in;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;         &lt;/span&gt;Second, “basic level” must be causally closed. Nothing that exists independently from the physical world can cause anything to occur in the physical world. Second, the level of basic physics must be causally closed. That is, if a physical event has a cause at time t, then it has a physical cause at time t.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Even that cause is not a determining cause; there cannot be something non-physical that plays a role in producing a physical event. If you knew everything about the physical level (the laws and the facts) before an event occurred, you could add nothing to your ability to predict where the particles will be in the future by knowing anything about anything outside of basic physics. &lt;/p&gt;   &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: 200%;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;            &lt;/span&gt;Third, whatever is not physical, at least if it is in space and time, must supervene on the physical. Given the physical, everything else is a necessary consequence. In short, what the world is at bottom is a mindless system of events at the level of fundamental particles, and everything else that exists must exist in virtue of what is going on at that basic level. This understanding of a broadly materialist world-view is not a tendentiously defined form of reductionism; it is what most people who would regard themselves as being in the broadly materialist camp would agree with, a sort of “minimal materialism.” Not only that, but I maintain that any world-view that could reasonably be called “naturalistic” is going to have these features, and the difficulties that I will be advancing against a “broadly materialist” world-view thus defined will be a difficulty that will exist for any kind of naturalism that I can think of. &lt;/p&gt;   &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: 200%;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;            &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;            &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt; &lt;!--[if !supportLineBreakNewLine]--&gt;&lt;br /&gt; &lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;/p&gt;   &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: 200%;"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--&gt; &lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;   &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: 200%;"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--&gt; &lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/38436816-1746415799629647787?l=dangerousidea2.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://dangerousidea2.blogspot.com/feeds/1746415799629647787/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=38436816&amp;postID=1746415799629647787' title='73 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/38436816/posts/default/1746415799629647787'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/38436816/posts/default/1746415799629647787'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://dangerousidea2.blogspot.com/2008/03/four-features-of-mental.html' title='Four Features of the Mental'/><author><name>Victor Reppert</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/10962948073162156902</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='29' height='32' src='http://bp1.blogger.com/_fbDbFJGRmD8/R9q9gPtFDhI/AAAAAAAAAB8/LZmw1YsTEtE/S220/reppert.jpg'/></author><thr:total>73</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38436816.post-4310912727899681586</id><published>2008-03-19T20:25:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2008-03-19T20:26:30.062-07:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Defining naturalism'/><title type='text'>Mentalistic and Non-Mentalistic World-Views</title><content type='html'>&lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: 200%;"&gt;The argument from reason begins by defining two world-view types: mentalistic world-views, according to which mental states are basic causes, and non-mentalistic world-views, according to which no mental states are basic causes. Christian theism is a world-view according to which basic causes are mental. If God chooses to create the world, there is no underlying non-mental explanation for this creation. God, it is supposed, creates the world because it is good to do so, and there is no underlying explanation in terms of blind causes. Let us take a different case, that of rocks falling down a mountain in an avalanche. When the rocks fall, they do not miss my head because they don’t think it would be nice to hit me, or hit me because they think I have it coming to me. Rather, the rocks blindly, with no regard to the interests of the people who may or may not be hit. On non-mentalistic world-views, the world is a bottom as blind as a bunch of rocks falling down the mountain. However, through the pressures of natural selection, perhaps we find things in the world that imitate that which we would ordinarily ascribe to a designer. If we hold to a non-mentalistic world-view, we might say that “the purpose of your eye is to see” but what we mean is that features of the eye were selected for because of their visual advantage. There is a mentalistic explanation on the surface, but dig deeper, and “mind” is analyzed out. By contrast, on a theistic world-view, even if the falling of the rocks in the avalanche was not specifically pre-ordained by God, at least the physical laws and physical objects are the product of intelligent design. &lt;/p&gt;   &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: 200%;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;                        &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;            &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;   &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: 200%;"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--&gt; &lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;   &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: 200%;"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--&gt; &lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;   &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: 200%;"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--&gt; &lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/38436816-4310912727899681586?l=dangerousidea2.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://dangerousidea2.blogspot.com/feeds/4310912727899681586/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=38436816&amp;postID=4310912727899681586' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/38436816/posts/default/4310912727899681586'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/38436816/posts/default/4310912727899681586'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://dangerousidea2.blogspot.com/2008/03/mentalistic-and-non-mentalistic-world.html' title='Mentalistic and Non-Mentalistic World-Views'/><author><name>Victor Reppert</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/10962948073162156902</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='29' height='32' src='http://bp1.blogger.com/_fbDbFJGRmD8/R9q9gPtFDhI/AAAAAAAAAB8/LZmw1YsTEtE/S220/reppert.jpg'/></author><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38436816.post-63102293974169</id><published>2008-03-11T11:06:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2008-03-11T11:07:57.299-07:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Naturalism'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='the conceptualist argument'/><title type='text'>An II thread on the Conceptualist Argument</title><content type='html'>&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/38436816-63102293974169?l=dangerousidea2.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='related' href='http://iidb.infidels.org/vbb/showthread.php?p=5202688#post5202688' title='An II thread on the Conceptualist Argument'/><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://dangerousidea2.blogspot.com/feeds/63102293974169/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=38436816&amp;postID=63102293974169' title='2 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/38436816/posts/default/63102293974169'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/38436816/posts/default/63102293974169'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://dangerousidea2.blogspot.com/2008/03/ii-thread-on-conceptualist-argument.html' title='An II thread on the Conceptualist Argument'/><author><name>Victor Reppert</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/10962948073162156902</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='29' height='32' src='http://bp1.blogger.com/_fbDbFJGRmD8/R9q9gPtFDhI/AAAAAAAAAB8/LZmw1YsTEtE/S220/reppert.jpg'/></author><thr:total>2</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38436816.post-4811007400359673152</id><published>2008-02-26T10:29:00.001-08:00</published><updated>2008-02-26T10:32:01.856-08:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='freedom and determinism'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Naturalism'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Beversluis'/><title type='text'>Can naturalists believe in free will, even if it is compatibilist free will?</title><content type='html'>C. S. Lewis wrote:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);"&gt;Thus no thoroughgoing Naturalist believes in free will: for free will would mean that human beings have the power of independent action, the power of doing something more or other than what was involved by the total series of events. And any such separate power of originating events is what the naturalist denies. Spontaneity, originality, action “on its own” is a privilege reserved for “the whole show” which he calls Nature.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The reason Lewis seems to be offering for saying that the Naturalist must deny free will doesn’t seem to mainly be that if Naturalism were true, determinism would be true, but he seems rather to be saying that free will involves a kind of independent agency on the part of persons that would be proscribed given naturalism.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In a footnote, John Beversluis replies as follows:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(51, 0, 51);"&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(153, 0, 0);"&gt;Some contemporary naturalists, for example, Daniel Dennett, John Searle, Jaegwon Kim, and Keith Parsons, reject determinism not only on the level of microparticles but generally and argue that naturalism is compatible with believing that human beings have free will.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I am not sure about these philosophers, and what kind of free will these people believe in. Students of the free will question know that there are two conceptions of free will: a conception compatible with determinism, and a concept that is incompatible with determinism. Daniel Dennett wrote an entire book, Elbow Room: The Varieties of Free Will Worth Wanting, which is well known as a classic defense of the compatibilism. Parsons, however, has argued the compatibility of libertarian free agency with naturalism.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Eventually, I would like to consider the question of whether a thoroughgoing naturalism is compatible with the incompatibilist or libertarian conception of free will. For the purposes of this discussion, however, I want to concede, for the sake of argument, that compatibilism is true, and I will try to show that it is far from clear that a thoroughgoing naturalism is really compatible with free will.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Compatibilist theories of free will trade on the idea that even if determinism is true, the proximate cause of an action can be one’s desire to perform the action. A compatibilist or soft determinist will say emphasize the fact that if you did something, if it is free in the compatibilist sense, you did what you wanted to do. If, say, you robbed the local Bank of America branch, it is not likely to be true that you wanted to be a law-abiding citizen, but the fickle finger of fate grabbed you by the scruff of the neck and made you commit a crime. No, you robbed the bank because, in the words of Willie Sutton, “That’s where the money is."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But notice what is implied in these kinds of theories. First, in order for this theory to be true, desires have to exist. There are naturalistic theories of mind, eliminativist theories, according to which desires are the posits of “folk psychology” and do not in fact exist. Now eliminativists do maintain that a matured neuroscience will replace the terms of folk psychology with successors, but will can the compatibilist theory be fitted in with a successor? Have eliminativists even addressed this issue?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But suppose we accept the existence of desires. In order for the compatibilist theories to work, the desires have to be causally efficacious. It must be the case that my desire for X can cause my action in pursuit of X. But, of course, naturalistic theories of mind, given their commitment to the causal closure of the physical, inevitably face the specter of epiphenomenalism. That is, even if it is thought that beliefs and desires exist on the hypothesis of naturalism, (which, as I have indicated in a previous post, typically involves a commitment to a causally closed mental-free realm and the bottom of everything), how can it be that my desire can cause anything? In other words, in order for a naturalist to even accept a compatibilist theory of free will, they must solve the problem of mental causation. William Hasker and I have argued that naturalists cannot solve the problem of mental causation, and if I have been right in my discussions here, they cannot consistently even believe in compatibilist free will, much less incompatibilist or libertarian free will.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/38436816-4811007400359673152?l=dangerousidea2.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://dangerousidea2.blogspot.com/feeds/4811007400359673152/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=38436816&amp;postID=4811007400359673152' title='50 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/38436816/posts/default/4811007400359673152'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/38436816/posts/default/4811007400359673152'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://dangerousidea2.blogspot.com/2008/02/can-naturalists-believe-in-free-will.html' title='Can naturalists believe in free will, even if it is compatibilist free will?'/><author><name>Victor Reppert</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/10962948073162156902</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='29' height='32' src='http://bp1.blogger.com/_fbDbFJGRmD8/R9q9gPtFDhI/AAAAAAAAAB8/LZmw1YsTEtE/S220/reppert.jpg'/></author><thr:total>50</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38436816.post-970775448379297952</id><published>2008-02-12T10:55:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2008-02-12T11:30:41.582-08:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Jaegwon Kim'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='causal closure'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Beversluis'/><title type='text'>Beversluis, Kim, and C. S. Lewis on causal closure</title><content type='html'>Here is an interesting passage in Beversluis chapter on the argument from reason: &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;JB: Naturalists believe that everything that happens within the total system is caused by something internal to it, so that nothing is independent in a way that enables it to escape this vast interlocking causal web. In short, nature is a self-contained and closed system. By "closed" Lewis means causally closed. So defined, naturalism is a form of determinism--the philosophical theory that everything that happens, happens necessarily as a result of antecedent causes given which nothing could else could have happened. So by naturalism, Lewis means deterministic naturalism. thus, he declares, "no thoroughgoing naturalist believes in freee will (M1, 17). It is important to notice that his argument depends on the assumption that there are ony two alternatives: deterministic naturalism and supernaturalism. If other choices exist, the refutation of the former would not entail the truth of hte latter, as Lewis claims it does. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;VR: So in this passage Beversluis commits Lewis to understanding naturalism as deterministic, with the implication that forms of naturalism that deny determinism are not naturalistic. Intereesing Lewis does discuss the denial of determinism through quantum-mechanical indeterminism and says that this would be a rejection of strict natruralism but not an affirmation of supernaturalism, since it would admit a Subnatural realm rather than a supernatural realm. I have discussed this in a couple of posts, but what I had not seen before was the fact that Beversluis seems to think that causal closure entails determinsm.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;As defined by contemporary philosophers such as Jaegwon Kim, closure does not entail determinism. Kim writes: &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;JK: The first of these is the principle that the physical world constitutes a causally closed domain. For our purposes we may state it as follows:The causal closure of the physical domain. If a physical event has a cause at t, then it has a physical cause at t.&lt;br /&gt;There is also an explanatory analogue of this principle (but we will make no explicit use of it here): If a physical event has a causal explanation (in terms of an event occurring at t), it has a physical causal explanation (in terms of a physical event at t).8 According to this principle, physics is causally and explanatorily self-sufficient: there is no need to go outside the physical domain to find a cause, or a causal explanation, of a physical event. It is plain that physical causal closure is entirely consistent with mind-body dualism and does not beg the question against dualism as such; it does not say that physical events and entities are all that there are in this world, or that physical causation is all the causation that there is. As far as physical causal closure goes, there may well be entities and events outside the physical domain, and causal relations might hold between these nonphysical items. There could even be sciences that investigate these nonphysical things and events. Physical causal closure, therefore, does not rule out mind-body dualism--in fact, not even substance dualism; for all it cares, there might be immaterial souls outside the spacetime physical world. If there were such things, the only constraint that the closure principle lays down is that they not causally meddle with physical events--that is, there can be no causal influences injected into the physical domain from outside. Descartes's interactionist dualism, therefore, is precluded by physical causal closure; however, Leibniz's doctrine of preestablished harmony and mind-body parallelism, like Spinoza's double-aspect theory,9 are perfectly consistent with it. Notice that neither the mental nor the biological domain is causally closed; there are mental and biological events whose causes are not themselves mental or biological events. A trauma to the head can cause the loss of consciousness and exposure to intense radiation can cause cells to mutate.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;VR: In short, the causal closure principle doesn't imply that there are determining physical causes for every event, only that there are no non-physical causes for any event. The argument from reason, on the other hand, if successful, intends to show that there are non-physical causes for the mental states involved in rational inference. The causal closure principle that Kim presents is sufficient to generate argument from reason. If Lewis had had Kim's definition of causal closure to work with, he would not have saddled the naturalist with determinism, but the argument from reason would not have been effected, since if the AFR works, it requires not merely the denial of physical determinism but also of the causal closure principle as defined by Kim.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/38436816-970775448379297952?l=dangerousidea2.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='related' href='http://press.princeton.edu/chapters/s7971.html' title='Beversluis, Kim, and C. S. Lewis on causal closure'/><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://dangerousidea2.blogspot.com/feeds/970775448379297952/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=38436816&amp;postID=970775448379297952' title='5 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/38436816/posts/default/970775448379297952'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/38436816/posts/default/970775448379297952'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://dangerousidea2.blogspot.com/2008/02/beversluis-kim-and-c-s-lewis-on-causal.html' title='Beversluis, Kim, and C. S. Lewis on causal closure'/><author><name>Victor Reppert</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/10962948073162156902</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='29' height='32' src='http://bp1.blogger.com/_fbDbFJGRmD8/R9q9gPtFDhI/AAAAAAAAAB8/LZmw1YsTEtE/S220/reppert.jpg'/></author><thr:total>5</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38436816.post-5951626681472599424</id><published>2008-02-04T08:45:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2008-02-04T08:47:01.636-08:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='AFR'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='debates'/><title type='text'>A theologyweb debate on the AFR</title><content type='html'>&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/38436816-5951626681472599424?l=dangerousidea2.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='related' href='http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/showthread.php?t=107509' title='A theologyweb debate on the AFR'/><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://dangerousidea2.blogspot.com/feeds/5951626681472599424/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=38436816&amp;postID=5951626681472599424' title='2 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/38436816/posts/default/5951626681472599424'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/38436816/posts/default/5951626681472599424'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://dangerousidea2.blogspot.com/2008/02/theologyweb-debate-on-afr.html' title='A theologyweb debate on the AFR'/><author><name>Victor Reppert</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/10962948073162156902</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='29' height='32' src='http://bp1.blogger.com/_fbDbFJGRmD8/R9q9gPtFDhI/AAAAAAAAAB8/LZmw1YsTEtE/S220/reppert.jpg'/></author><thr:total>2</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38436816.post-6649782315808707959</id><published>2008-02-03T20:32:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2008-02-03T20:35:11.326-08:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Dualism'/><title type='text'>William Lycan reconsiders dualism</title><content type='html'>HT: John Sabatino&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/38436816-6649782315808707959?l=dangerousidea2.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='related' href='http://www.unc.edu/~ujanel/Du.htm' title='William Lycan reconsiders dualism'/><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://dangerousidea2.blogspot.com/feeds/6649782315808707959/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=38436816&amp;postID=6649782315808707959' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/38436816/posts/default/6649782315808707959'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/38436816/posts/default/6649782315808707959'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://dangerousidea2.blogspot.com/2008/02/william-lycan-reconsiders-dualism.html' title='William Lycan reconsiders dualism'/><author><name>Victor Reppert</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/10962948073162156902</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='29' height='32' src='http://bp1.blogger.com/_fbDbFJGRmD8/R9q9gPtFDhI/AAAAAAAAAB8/LZmw1YsTEtE/S220/reppert.jpg'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38436816.post-1646115054878147160</id><published>2008-01-29T08:24:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2008-01-29T08:38:20.930-08:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Defining naturalism'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='evolutionary argument against naturalism'/><title type='text'>An excellent debate from a couple of years ago</title><content type='html'>I re-read this exchange between J. D. Walters and Blue Devil Knight and was impressed by it. In spite of some acrimony, it is one of the best blog discussions I have seen on the relevant issues. It is illustrative of the difference between a naturalistic perspective and an anti-naturalistic one, and why it's so difficult to resolve the debate surrounding naturalism.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/38436816-1646115054878147160?l=dangerousidea2.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='related' href='http://dangerousidea.blogspot.com/2006/07/balfour-and-evolutionary-argument.html' title='An excellent debate from a couple of years ago'/><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://dangerousidea2.blogspot.com/feeds/1646115054878147160/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=38436816&amp;postID=1646115054878147160' title='3 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/38436816/posts/default/1646115054878147160'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/38436816/posts/default/1646115054878147160'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://dangerousidea2.blogspot.com/2008/01/excellent-debate-from-couple-of-years.html' title='An excellent debate from a couple of years ago'/><author><name>Victor Reppert</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/10962948073162156902</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='29' height='32' src='http://bp1.blogger.com/_fbDbFJGRmD8/R9q9gPtFDhI/AAAAAAAAAB8/LZmw1YsTEtE/S220/reppert.jpg'/></author><thr:total>3</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38436816.post-2546901639501778971</id><published>2008-01-28T16:47:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2008-01-28T16:56:30.685-08:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Defining naturalism'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='physicalism'/><title type='text'>Naturalism without Physicalism?</title><content type='html'>Doctor Logic asked me what I thought the difference was between naturalism and physicalism. I think for anything to be "naturalistic" in any recognizable sense, it looks as if it has to have the characteristics of the physical that I mention: absence at the most basic level of purpose, intentionality, subjectivity, and normativity. It must be physical in at least these senses if it is naturalism is to have any meaning.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Sometimes people say that a physicalist will not allow abstract entities, but a naturalist can. But that's not going to do us any good in providing a naturalist response to the argument from reason. The AFR is about explaining how we come to have certain mental states. What do those abstract entities have to do with our coming to have mental states of a certain kind?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;D. M. Armstrong once wrote; "I suppose that if the principles involved (in analysis at the physical level) were completely different from the current prinicples of physics, in particular if they involved appeal to mental entities, such as purposes, we might count the analysis as a falsification of naturalism."&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/38436816-2546901639501778971?l=dangerousidea2.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://dangerousidea2.blogspot.com/feeds/2546901639501778971/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=38436816&amp;postID=2546901639501778971' title='8 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/38436816/posts/default/2546901639501778971'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/38436816/posts/default/2546901639501778971'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://dangerousidea2.blogspot.com/2008/01/naturalism-without-physicalism.html' title='Naturalism without Physicalism?'/><author><name>Victor Reppert</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/10962948073162156902</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='29' height='32' src='http://bp1.blogger.com/_fbDbFJGRmD8/R9q9gPtFDhI/AAAAAAAAAB8/LZmw1YsTEtE/S220/reppert.jpg'/></author><thr:total>8</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38436816.post-8484157656567656256</id><published>2008-01-23T11:00:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2008-01-23T11:01:13.311-08:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='determinism'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='argument from reason'/><title type='text'>Why Determinism is irrelevant to the argument from reason</title><content type='html'>Lewis's account of naturalism seems to imply that it does, although he mentions quantum-mechanical theories suggesting it does not. John Beversluis, in his treatment of Lewis's argument from reason, points out that Lewis does not consider or refute indeterministic forms of naturalism.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;However, in dealing with more recent versions of the argument from reason the question of determinism is irrelevant, as I argued in a recent essay:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Exactly what does Lewis mean by naturalism? Very often the terms Naturalism and Materialism are used interchangeably, but at other times it is insisted that the two terms have different meanings. Lewis says,&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;“What the naturalist believes is that the ultimate Fact, the thing you can’t go behind, is a vast process of time and space which is going on of its own accord. Inside that total system every event (such as your sitting reading this book) happens because some other event has happened; in the long run, because the Total Event is happening. Each particular thing (such as this page) is what it is because other things are what they are; and so, eventually, because the whole system is what it is.”&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;As a presentation of naturalism, however, this might be regarded as inadequate by contemporary naturalists, because it saddles the naturalist with a deterministic position. The mainstream position in contemporary physics involves an indeterminism at the quantum-mechanical level. Lewis himself thought that this kind of indeterminism was really a break with naturalism, admitting the existence of a lawless Subnature as opposed to Nature, but most naturalists today are prepared to accept quantum-mechanical indeterminism as part of physics and do not see it as a threat to naturalism as they understand it. Some critics of Lewis have suggested that his somewhat deficient understanding of naturalism undermines his argument. Lewis, however, insisted on “making no argument” out of quantum mechanics and expressed a healthy skepticism about making too much of particular developments in science that might be helpful to the cause of apologetics.&lt;br /&gt;However, contemporary defenders of the Argument from Reason such as William Hasker and myself have developed accounts of materialism and naturalism that are neutral as to whether or not physics is deterministic or not. Whatever Lewis might have said about quantum-mechanical indeterminacy, the problems he poses for naturalism arise whether determinism at the quantum-mechanical level is true or not.&lt;br /&gt;       Materialism or naturalism, as we understand it, is committed to three fundamental theses.&lt;br /&gt;1) The basic elements of the material or physical universe function blindly, without purpose. Man is the product, says Bertrand Russell, of forces that had no prevision of the end they were achieving. Richard Dawkins’ exposition and defense of the naturalistic world view is called &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;The Blind Watchmaker: Why the Evidence of Evolution Reveals a World Without Design&lt;/span&gt; not because no one ever designs anything in a naturalistic world, but because, explanations in terms of design must be reduced out in the final analysis. Explanation always proceeds bottom-up, not top-down.&lt;br /&gt;2) The physical order is causally closed. There is nothing transcendent to the physical universe that exercises any causal influence on it.&lt;br /&gt;3) Whatever does not occur on the physical level supervenes on the physical. Given the state of the physical, there is only one way the other levels can be.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;These three claims can be true if "the physical" is deterministic or not. Even if there are no determining physical causes, if all that makes it undetermined and is nothing but brute chance, this hardly introduces libertarian free will or reason.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/38436816-8484157656567656256?l=dangerousidea2.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://dangerousidea2.blogspot.com/feeds/8484157656567656256/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=38436816&amp;postID=8484157656567656256' title='38 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/38436816/posts/default/8484157656567656256'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/38436816/posts/default/8484157656567656256'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://dangerousidea2.blogspot.com/2008/01/why-determinism-is-irrelevant-to.html' title='Why Determinism is irrelevant to the argument from reason'/><author><name>Victor Reppert</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/10962948073162156902</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='29' height='32' src='http://bp1.blogger.com/_fbDbFJGRmD8/R9q9gPtFDhI/AAAAAAAAAB8/LZmw1YsTEtE/S220/reppert.jpg'/></author><thr:total>38</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38436816.post-6666107898228005953</id><published>2008-01-05T22:33:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2008-01-05T22:36:02.518-08:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='intentionality'/><title type='text'>Dialogue with Shygetz on DC</title><content type='html'>&lt;dl id="comments-block"&gt; &lt;dd class="comment-body"&gt;                            &lt;p&gt;VR: So when we say mental states are brain states, what do we mean?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Shygetz: We mean that each mental state corresponds to one and only one brain state. However, you labor under the misconception that when you think "apple" and I think "apple" we have the same brain state. We do not--when you think "apple" what color fruit are you imagining? What size, what exact shape, shiny or dull, alone or in a context? If "apple" doesn't refer to a single unique physical state, what makes you think it refers to a single unique mental one.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;VR: There are, of course, various chairs, some made of different stuff and some different colors, but there is something that makes them all chairs. Doesn't everyone's thought of an apple have to have something physical in common if it is a physical state.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;More, A can correspond to B without being identical to B, so there has to be more to identity than correspondence.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Causal role is determined by physical structure. If there is nothing about the property "being a thought about a pencil" that is identical to some particular physical state-type, then the mental state-type cannot be causally relevant.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Shygetz: And the only way you can do this is to posit something that interacts intimately with physical matter and can be strongly affected by physical matter while remaining somehow distinct from physical matter in some manner you have yet to even attempt to explain. I hope you are not trying to imply that dualism is more simple than physicalism, because it is not by some undefined by doubtlessly large amount. You are positing an entire new branch of physics based on a substance that violates its current laws.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;VR: No problem. We need this one in order to preserve the logical foundations of science.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Shygetz: Yet again, you make a bald assertion that actually flies in the face of (admittedly incomplete) evidence. Do you have any evidence that this is true? If so, by all means present it. If not, you are not making an argument--you are declaring by fiat. Argument is necessary, sir; I don't think anyone here will be convinced by raw audacity. Show me a reason to think that physical data are insufficient to determine mental states--otherwise, you merely continue to beg the question.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;VR: It's very simple really. Identity claims are necessary truths. In order for physical states to determine intentional states uniquely, it must be logically contradictory to deny the mental state once the physical information is given. Postulate any amount of physicalistic information you want, and you will never get anything that logically entails the existence of a mental state. The only way to get an argument that has a conclusion "X is about B" is to have intentional states in the premises. It doesn't matter how much physical information you give, it will always be logically possible for me to deny the existence of the mental state without logical contradiction.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The irreducibility of intentional states to physical states is held by many philosophers, many of whom, like Donald Davidson, are philosophical naturalists. There is also the argument that intentional-state attributions involve normative elements, and therefore, cannot follow necessarily from the existence of physical states. Many naturalists accept a dualism of properties but try to avoid a dualism of substances. The problem then arises as to how those nonphysical properties fit into a physical world, and also how non-physical properties can possibly be causally relevant.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Shygetz: Ah, now you are at least starting down the right path. Have you ever, and I mean EVER, added, subtracted, or manipulated powers in a mental vacuum? No; you always bring along your "unique perspective" which changes your mental state. Computers can add in a vacuum; if I take two identical computers and have one add 2 + 2, then take another computer and manipulate its physical states so they replicate the first one exactly, the second computer will have added 2 + 2. What is the reason to think that the human brain is different when adding 2 + 2?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;VR: Computers have no first-person perspective. Therefore, they do not literally add 2 + 2. They do not perceive the relationship amongst the meanings. We perceive those relationships. However, physical facts are not perspectival. If my perspective determines how atoms go in my brain, we have a non-publicly accessible fact that determines physical states. That's not considered good naturalism.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It's like taking a bunch of indicative facts about the world and concluding the existence of an objectively binding moral obligation. You have to wrong type of facts on the one side to draw the proper conclusions on the other.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;You have to go from facts are not subjective or perspectival, not normative, not intentional, and not purposive, and yet these facts have to entail truths that are subjective/perspectival, normative, intentional and purposive. That is a good deal more than just a question about how the bacterial flagellum got engineered.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/dd&gt; &lt;/dl&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/38436816-6666107898228005953?l=dangerousidea2.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='related' href='http://debunkingchristianity.blogspot.com/2008/01/review-of-john-beversluis-cs-lewis-and.html' title='Dialogue with Shygetz on DC'/><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://dangerousidea2.blogspot.com/feeds/6666107898228005953/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=38436816&amp;postID=6666107898228005953' title='12 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/38436816/posts/default/6666107898228005953'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/38436816/posts/default/6666107898228005953'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://dangerousidea2.blogspot.com/2008/01/dialogue-with-shygetz-on-dc.html' title='Dialogue with Shygetz on DC'/><author><name>Victor Reppert</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/10962948073162156902</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='29' height='32' src='http://bp1.blogger.com/_fbDbFJGRmD8/R9q9gPtFDhI/AAAAAAAAAB8/LZmw1YsTEtE/S220/reppert.jpg'/></author><thr:total>12</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38436816.post-4267964574018551928</id><published>2008-01-04T09:56:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2008-01-04T10:00:04.498-08:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='The Argument from Reason'/><title type='text'>Some replies to poeple on Debunking Christianity</title><content type='html'>VR: Because physically identical worlds can have different mental contents in them, and in a physical world identical to this one there are no one with any mental states at all. In that world, everyone is a zombie.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Zilch: Victor, do you have any evidence for this? Unless you can demonstrate that mental contents are not physical states, you are begging the question.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;VR: Because, no amount of physical information can entail any definitive conclusion concerning mental content. This is the point of arch-naturalist W. V. Quine's argument for the indeterminacy of translation in Word and Object. Physical facts do not logically entail mental facts, just as physical facts do not logically entail moral facts. Getting an "about" from an "is" is just as impossible as getting an "ought" from an is, and for much the same reason. Even if mental states were token-identical to brain states, the brain facts do not and cannot entail the mental facts. So why do the mental facts exist?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Shygetz: Let's assume that a sense of purpose can possibly be couched in matter, and see if our observations are consistent with such an assumption. If such a sense could be arrived at by incremental change in a reproductive element, and if such a sense would increase reproductive success, then such a purpose would be arrived at through evolutionary processes. When we look at the evolutionary record, we see gradual increases in mental sophistication, which seem to correlate with increases in consciousness (e.g. the most mentally sophisticated non-human animals are also the ones with the most signs of consciousness). Were duality true, then there is no obvious reason for physical brain sophistication to correlate with cosciousness.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;VR: Evolution can explain the development of mental states only if mental contents can play a causal role. If mental contents are epiphenomenal, then they are invisible to evolution. If the physical is causally closed, and physical states are insufficient to determine mental contents, that means that mental contents are epiphenomenal. It doesn't matter what they are or whether they exist or not. The physical will go its merry way regardless of them, and evolution, if it is purely physicalistic, will select for the physical substrate regardless of what the mental content is. Therefore the argument that reliable belief-forming mechanisms will be selected for by evolution goes by the boards.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Shygetz: Does consciousness increase fitness? Well, we are reproductively succeeding much more than our closest primate cousins that posess less consciousness, so I would say probably. So, it seems plausible that consciousness would evolve if it were couched in physical matter.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;VR: This is considered to be a huge problem, however, which David Chalmers calls the Hard Problem of Consciousness. How can consciousness be physical. Plenty of people, like Chalmers, Colin McGinn, and even Jaegwon Kim, think that this is a complete mystery from the point of view of naturalism.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;VR: You have not demonstrated that such a world is possible given the laws of the universe, and until you do you merely beg the question. The philosophical zombie is an impossibility if mental states are couched in physical states, and to simply argue that you can conceive otherwise is pointless. I can conceive of gravity being a repulsive force, but that doesn't demonstrate that gravity is not an attractive force.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;VR: What do you mean by "couched in " physical states. Do you mean type-identical to physical states, or token-identical states, or supervenient upon physical states. I can conceive of a philosophical zombie without contradicting myself. If it isn't a self-contradictory idea, then it's logically possible, and we need to know why it is not the case.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Shygetz: If you are driven to postulate God, then you have just failed at science. God explains everything, and therefore nothing; it cannot be tested or disproven, and is worthless as an explanitory unit. God cannot be tested by science because it is not a coherent idea--it changes with the whim of the faithful to always remain a step away from the edges of science.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;VR: One can conceive God in such a way that one can make testable theistic hypotheses. Lots of people say that theistic claims are untestable, but no one ever proves it.  There are circumstances under which I would predict a miracle. And how about this "If God were to resurrect someone today, it would be more likely to be Mother Teresa than Adolf Hitler." That's a probabilistic expectation. If God resurrects Hitler, that disconfirms my theory.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/38436816-4267964574018551928?l=dangerousidea2.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='related' href='http://debunkingchristianity.blogspot.com/2008/01/review-of-john-beversluis-cs-lewis-and.html' title='Some replies to poeple on Debunking Christianity'/><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://dangerousidea2.blogspot.com/feeds/4267964574018551928/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=38436816&amp;postID=4267964574018551928' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/38436816/posts/default/4267964574018551928'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/38436816/posts/default/4267964574018551928'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://dangerousidea2.blogspot.com/2008/01/some-replies-to-poeple-on-debunking.html' title='Some replies to poeple on Debunking Christianity'/><author><name>Victor Reppert</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/10962948073162156902</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='29' height='32' src='http://bp1.blogger.com/_fbDbFJGRmD8/R9q9gPtFDhI/AAAAAAAAAB8/LZmw1YsTEtE/S220/reppert.jpg'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38436816.post-8934538183494701902</id><published>2008-01-03T22:10:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2008-01-03T22:11:49.350-08:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='C S Lewis'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='supernaturalism'/><title type='text'>Lewis on Supernaturalism</title><content type='html'>&lt;a title="external link" href="http://www.philosophy.uncc.edu/mleldrid/Intro/csl3.html"&gt;What Lewis means by "supernatural" &lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;To call the act of knowing--the act, not of remembering that something was so in the past, but of 'seeing' that it must be so always and in any possible world--to call this act 'supernatural', is some violence to our ordinary linguistic usage. But of course we do not mean by this that it is spooky, or sensational, or even (in any religious sense) 'spiritual'. We mean only that it 'won't fit in'; that such an act, to be what it claims to be--and if it is not, all our thinking is discredited--cannot be merely the exhibition at a particular place and time of that total, and largely mindless, system of events called 'Nature'. It must break sufficiently free from that universal chain in order to be determined by what it knows. From Miracles, Chapter 3.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/38436816-8934538183494701902?l=dangerousidea2.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://dangerousidea2.blogspot.com/feeds/8934538183494701902/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=38436816&amp;postID=8934538183494701902' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/38436816/posts/default/8934538183494701902'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/38436816/posts/default/8934538183494701902'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://dangerousidea2.blogspot.com/2008/01/lewis-on-supernaturalism.html' title='Lewis on Supernaturalism'/><author><name>Victor Reppert</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/10962948073162156902</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='29' height='32' src='http://bp1.blogger.com/_fbDbFJGRmD8/R9q9gPtFDhI/AAAAAAAAAB8/LZmw1YsTEtE/S220/reppert.jpg'/></author><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38436816.post-8534280731519917139</id><published>2008-01-03T22:04:00.001-08:00</published><updated>2008-01-03T22:04:44.555-08:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='supernaturalism'/><title type='text'>Is God supernatural?</title><content type='html'>I wouldn't even necessarily call God supernatural. There could conceivably be a science studying God's actions, based on which we could make predictions. If God would let us, we could even perform experiments on Him. What's wrong with this idea?&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/38436816-8534280731519917139?l=dangerousidea2.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://dangerousidea2.blogspot.com/feeds/8534280731519917139/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=38436816&amp;postID=8534280731519917139' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/38436816/posts/default/8534280731519917139'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/38436816/posts/default/8534280731519917139'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://dangerousidea2.blogspot.com/2008/01/is-god-supernatural.html' title='Is God supernatural?'/><author><name>Victor Reppert</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/10962948073162156902</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='29' height='32' src='http://bp1.blogger.com/_fbDbFJGRmD8/R9q9gPtFDhI/AAAAAAAAAB8/LZmw1YsTEtE/S220/reppert.jpg'/></author><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38436816.post-1163110228228328279</id><published>2008-01-03T15:16:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2008-01-03T15:17:58.011-08:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='The Argument from Reason'/><title type='text'>A response to some people on Debunking Christianity</title><content type='html'>&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;I was explaining the structure of the argument, not attempting to defend the premises. I was making the rather narrow point that Parsons had the structure wrong. At least the argument I have endeavored to defend does not have that kind of structure, and I don't think Lewis's did either. &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;         &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;I dislike using terms like "magical" or "supernatural." I prefer to argue that if there is to be reason in the world, intentional explanations must be basic explanations. Nor am I denying that physical states can be correlated with mental states, or that physical changes can cause mental changes. What I am saying is that when you add up all the truths about how physical states are arranged, they don't entail any unique truths about what the mental states are. Physical states don't, and can't entail mental states, in much the way they don't and can't entail moral truths. Naturalists like Quine and Dennett agree with me on this. Do you think they are wrong? &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;br /&gt; &lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Physical states, including states of a computer, are indeterminate with respect to mental states. This includes states of a computer playing chess. The programmers create a physical system which mimics proper chess-playing given a framework of meaning provided by humans. The move Rf6 on my computer screen, played by Fritz (who kicks my butt on a daily basis, in case anyone is wondering) has a meaning relative to my understanding of chess, which it itself lacks. It is only by anthropomorphizing the silicon monster do we get determinate meanings for its moves. The laws of chess have nothing to do with what the computer does, but human programmers give it the physical motions of a computer a context of meaning that allows is to see those moves as chess moves. &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;   &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;   &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--&gt; &lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;   &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;But if physical states are indeterminate with respect to meaning, can it be that we have no determinate mental states or proposotional attitudes? If so, then it is never literally true that we add, subtract, multiply or divide. Ever read Kripke on Wittgenstein? If we literally perform the operation 2 + 2 = 4, then we understand the meanings of 2, +, and 4. What are thoughts are about must be exactly those meanings. But the physical is indeterminate with respect to mental content. This means that determinacy of meaning must come from someplace other than the physical. &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;   &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--&gt; &lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;   &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;Or maybe we don't literally add, subtract, multiply and divide. We only simulate it. But how do we know what we're simulating, if that's the case.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;   &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--&gt; &lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;   &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--&gt; &lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;   &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--&gt; &lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/38436816-1163110228228328279?l=dangerousidea2.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='related' href='http://debunkingchristianity.blogspot.com/2008/01/review-of-john-beversluis-cs-lewis-and.html' title='A response to some people on Debunking Christianity'/><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://dangerousidea2.blogspot.com/feeds/1163110228228328279/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=38436816&amp;postID=1163110228228328279' title='2 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/38436816/posts/default/1163110228228328279'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/38436816/posts/default/1163110228228328279'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://dangerousidea2.blogspot.com/2008/01/response-to-some-people-on-debunking.html' title='A response to some people on Debunking Christianity'/><author><name>Victor Reppert</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/10962948073162156902</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='29' height='32' src='http://bp1.blogger.com/_fbDbFJGRmD8/R9q9gPtFDhI/AAAAAAAAAB8/LZmw1YsTEtE/S220/reppert.jpg'/></author><thr:total>2</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38436816.post-4687982172088507093</id><published>2008-01-02T15:55:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2008-01-02T15:56:52.306-08:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='The Argument from Reason'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='God of the Gaps'/><title type='text'>Is the argument from reason a god of the gaps argument?</title><content type='html'>A.     God of the Gaps&lt;br /&gt;Another argument frequently advanced against virtually any piece of natural theology is the God of the Gaps charge. In fact, this is one of the most popular items in the atheist playbook. We know from the history of science that many things were thought in the past to require an explanation in terms of divine agency are now know to have naturalistic explanations. Rainbows, for example, were once thought to have been put in the sky as a sign, we now know that they can be naturalistically explained in terms of light refraction. Various biological systems show a harmony between means and ends which in the past was cannon fodder for the design argument, but is now explicable in terms of random variation and natural selection. So if there is something that we think cannot be explained in physical terms, just give science some time, and they’ll figure it out sooner or later.&lt;br /&gt;An instance where the God of the Gaps objection appears strong is in the case of Newton’s account of the orbits of the planets. His theory would have expected the orbits to go somewhat differently from the way they go, and so he postulated God as the one who keeps the planets in line. Laplace later developed a theory that didn’t require this kind of divine tinkering, and when asked about Newton’s theistic theory he said “I have no need of that hypothesis.”&lt;br /&gt;However, I am not sure that every argument that points to an explanatory difficulty for the naturalist can be effectively answered with a “God of the Gaps” charge. Consider, for example being at a dinner party with someone who is given a large amount of water and creates from it an equal volume of wine. (It tastes like really good wine, not that California cheap stuff). Can we reasonably say that this we just have a gap in our understanding. As Robert Larmer points out, our understanding of how wine is made is precisely what makes it so difficult to explain naturalistically.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(255, 153, 255);"&gt;What should be at issue in assessing “God of the gaps” arguments is whether they have met these conditions. Claims regarding events traditionally described as miracles and claims regarding the origin and development of life are where “God of the gaps” arguments are most commonly met. In the case of events traditionally described as miracles, it seems very evident that our increased knowledge of how natural causes operate has not made it easier, but more difﬁcult, to explain such events naturalistically. The science underlying wine-making is considerably more advanced today than it was in ﬁrst century Palestine, but our advances have made it even more difﬁcult to explain in terms of natural causes how Jesus, without any technological aids, could, in a matter of minutes, turn water into high quality wine. Indeed, it is the difﬁculty of providing a naturalistic account of such events that leads many critics to deny that they ever occurred; though this looks suspiciously like begging the question in favour of naturalism. It is clear that if such events have occurred, the advance of science has made them more, rather than less, difﬁcult to explain in terms of natural causes. Employing a “God of the gaps” argument that the occurrence of such events would constitute good evidence for supernatural intervention within the natural order seems entirely legitimate&lt;/span&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;            Perhaps even Newton has been given a bad rap, as Plantinga points out:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 153, 0);"&gt;Newton seems ... to have suffered a bum rap. He suggested that God made periodic adjustments in the orbits of the planets; true enough. But he didn’t propose this as a reason for believing in God; it is rather that (of course) he already believed in God, and couldn’t think of any other explanation for the movements of the planets. He turned out to be wrong; he could have been right, however, and in any event he wasn’t endorsing any of the characteristic ideas of God-of-the-gaps thought (“Methodological Naturalism” Pt. II, Origins and Design, Vol. 18, No. 2, Footnote 52).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;So, I would maintain that there are gaps and there are gaps. It’s not just pointing to an unsolved engineering problem in nature. First of all, the categories of the mental and the physical are logically incompatible categories. You start attributing mental properties to physics and you might end up being told that you are no longer describing the physical at all. Purpose, normativity, intentionality or about-ness, all these things are not supposed to be brought in to the physical descriptions of things, at least at the most basic level of analysis.&lt;br /&gt;Let’s consider the gap between the propositional content of thought and the physical description of the brain. My claim is that no matter in how much detail you describe the physical state of the brain (and the environment), the propositional content of thought will invariably be undetermined. This isn’t my claim of C. S. Lewis’s, this argument was made by the arch-naturalist W. V. Quine. Now of course that doesn’t make it true, but nevertheless it’s not a matter of getting a physical description that will work, In my view the logico-conceptual gap is always going to be there regardless of how extensively you describe the physical. As I said earlier, bridging the chasm isn’t going to simply be a matter of exploring the territory on one side of the chasm.&lt;br /&gt;Second, to a very large extent the gap between the mental and the physical was caused by science in the first place. The way one got physics going in the early days of modern science was to attribute such things as colors, tastes, smells, to the mind, while explaining the physics of it without having to consider these things. So, for example, in reducing heat to the mean kinetic energy of gases, science “siphoned off” the feeling of warmth caused by heat to the mind, and explained heat without reference to how heat feels to us. As Swinburne put it.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(51, 102, 255);"&gt;There is a crucial difference between these two cases. All other integrations into a super-science, or sciences dealing with entities and properties apparently qualitatively distinct, was achieved by saying that really some of the entities and properties were not as they appeared to be; by making a distinction between the underlying (not immediately observable) entities and properties and the phenomenal properties to which they give rise. Thermodynamics was conceived with the laws of temperature exchange; and temperature was supposed to be a property inherent in an object. The felt hotness of a hot body is indeed qualitatively distinct from particle velocities and collisions. The reduction was achieved by distinguishing between the underlying cause of the hotness (the motion of the molecules) and the sensations which the motion of molecules cause in observers. The former falls naturally within the scope of statistical mechanic—for molecules are particles’ the entities and properties are not of distinct kinds. But this reduction has been achieved at the price of separating off the phenomenal from its causes, and only explaining the latter. All reduction from one science to another dealing with apparently very disparate properties has been achieved by this device of denying that the apparent properties (i. e. the ‘secondary qualities” of colour, heat, sound, taste, etc.) with which one science dealt belonged to the physical world at all. It siphoned them off to the world of the mental. But then, but when you come to face the problem of the sensations themselves, you cannot do this. If you are to explain the sensations themselves, you cannot distinguish between them and their underlying causes and only explain the latter. In fact the enormous success of science in producing an integrated physico-chemistry has been achieved at the expense of separating off from the physical world colours, smells, and tastes, and regarding them as purely private sensory phenomena. The very success of science in achieving its vast integrations in physics and chemistry is the very thing which has made apparently impossible any final success in integrating the world of mind into the world of physics.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;If Swinburne is correct here, the very thing that made reduction possible in many historic cases is going to make it impossible in the case of the mind and matter.&lt;br /&gt; I conclude, therefore, that “God of the gaps” or even a “soul of the gaps” response to the argument from reason does not work. I am not saying that we just cannot figure out right now why the mental states involved in rational inference are really physical, I am suggesting on principled grounds that a careful reflction on the nature of mind and matter will invaribly reveal that there is a logical gap between them that in principle can’t be bridged without fudging categories.&lt;span class="item-action"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/38436816-4687982172088507093?l=dangerousidea2.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://dangerousidea2.blogspot.com/feeds/4687982172088507093/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=38436816&amp;postID=4687982172088507093' title='2 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/38436816/posts/default/4687982172088507093'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/38436816/posts/default/4687982172088507093'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://dangerousidea2.blogspot.com/2008/01/is-argument-from-reason-god-of-gaps.html' title='Is the argument from reason a god of the gaps argument?'/><author><name>Victor Reppert</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/10962948073162156902</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='29' height='32' src='http://bp1.blogger.com/_fbDbFJGRmD8/R9q9gPtFDhI/AAAAAAAAAB8/LZmw1YsTEtE/S220/reppert.jpg'/></author><thr:total>2</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38436816.post-6280744311337721701</id><published>2008-01-02T15:42:00.001-08:00</published><updated>2008-01-02T15:42:58.672-08:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='C. S. Lewis'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='The Argument from Reason'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Loftus'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Beversluis'/><title type='text'>Reply to a point in Loftus' review of Beversluis</title><content type='html'>From John Loftus' Review of Beversluis&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);"&gt;The Argument From Reason, as best seen in Lewis’ book, Miracles, “is the philosophical backbone of the whole book,” from which “his case for miracles depends.” (p. 145). Lewis champions the idea that if naturalism is true such a theory “impugns the validity of reason and rational inference,” and as such, naturalists contradict themselves if they use reason to argue their case. If you as a naturalist have ever been troubled by such an argument you need to read Beversluis’ response to it, which is the largest chapter in his book, and something I can’t adequately summarize in a few short sentences. Suffice it to say, he approvingly quotes Keith Parsons who said: “surely Lewis cannot mean that if naturalism is true, then there is no such thing as valid reasoning. If he really thought this, he would have to endorse the hypothetical ‘If naturalism is true, then modus ponens is invalid.’ But since the consequent is necessarily false, then the hypothetical is false if we suppose naturalism is true (which is what the antecedent asserts), and Lewis has no argument.” (p. 174).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"&gt;In response to Parsons' comment, that's not how the argument from reason goes. If naturalism is true, then no one ever performs a modus ponens inference, and this can be for a number of different reasons.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;1) If naturalism is true, then there are no propositional attitudes. Propositional attitudes are necessary for modus ponens inferences, so no one would actually ever perform a modus ponens inference if naturalism is true.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;2) If naturalism is true, then there is no mental causation. One mental event cannot cause the occurrence of another mental event in virtue of its content, if naturalism is true.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;3) If naturalism is true, then logical laws have no psychological relevance. Only physical laws can be relevant to physical events if naturalism is true; logical laws will be followed only if the physical order to disposes the brain to follow them. There could be arguments in accordance with reason but never from reason, to use Kantian terminology. I'm not saying that if naturalism is true there would be no logical laws, but rather those laws would not and could not have anything to do with what anyone things.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In other words, the argument says that if naturalism is true, then no one reasons validly. Modus ponens would be eternally a valid form of inference, but that fact would be completely irrelevant to any actual reasoning processes, and would be inoperative.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/38436816-6280744311337721701?l=dangerousidea2.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://dangerousidea2.blogspot.com/feeds/6280744311337721701/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=38436816&amp;postID=6280744311337721701' title='2 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/38436816/posts/default/6280744311337721701'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/38436816/posts/default/6280744311337721701'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://dangerousidea2.blogspot.com/2008/01/reply-to-point-in-loftus-review-of.html' title='Reply to a point in Loftus&apos; review of Beversluis'/><author><name>Victor Reppert</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/10962948073162156902</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='29' height='32' src='http://bp1.blogger.com/_fbDbFJGRmD8/R9q9gPtFDhI/AAAAAAAAAB8/LZmw1YsTEtE/S220/reppert.jpg'/></author><thr:total>2</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38436816.post-1763544536000422587</id><published>2007-12-28T12:34:00.001-08:00</published><updated>2007-12-28T12:34:39.871-08:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Davidson'/><title type='text'>Some Lecture notes of Davidson's Mental Events</title><content type='html'>&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/38436816-1763544536000422587?l=dangerousidea2.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='related' href='http://www.stanford.edu/~lmaguire/phil186/mentalevents.htm' title='Some Lecture notes of Davidson&apos;s Mental Events'/><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://dangerousidea2.blogspot.com/feeds/1763544536000422587/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=38436816&amp;postID=1763544536000422587' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/38436816/posts/default/1763544536000422587'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/38436816/posts/default/1763544536000422587'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://dangerousidea2.blogspot.com/2007/12/some-lecture-notes-of-davidsons-mental.html' title='Some Lecture notes of Davidson&apos;s Mental Events'/><author><name>Victor Reppert</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/10962948073162156902</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='29' height='32' src='http://bp1.blogger.com/_fbDbFJGRmD8/R9q9gPtFDhI/AAAAAAAAAB8/LZmw1YsTEtE/S220/reppert.jpg'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38436816.post-456215249904993546</id><published>2007-12-27T13:00:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2007-12-27T13:01:54.039-08:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Keith Parsons'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='the inadequacy objection'/><title type='text'>The inadequacy objection</title><content type='html'>A.     The Inadequacy Objection&lt;br /&gt;This objection is also extremely popular. It claims that appealing to God or any or any other supernatural entity provides only a pseudo-explanation for the phenomena in question. So, if something cannot be explained naturalistically, it is better to simply say we do not have an explanation than to appeal to something beyond our outside of nature.&lt;br /&gt;So for example, if we were to explain the existence of reason in terms of the theistic God, that would not be to explain the existence of reason at all. The only way reason could be genuinely explained would be if reason could be explained interms of something that is without reason, something like, say, a blind evolutionary process. As Keith Parsons put it:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color:#3333ff;"&gt;Creationist “explanations” do not explain. When we appeal to the inscrutable acts and incomprehensible powers of an occult being to account for mysterious phenomena, we only deepen the mystery. Like Nagel…I regard such “explanation’ as mere markers for our ignorance, placeholders for expalantion we hope someday to get.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;            However, what we are calling “supernatural” explanations are primarily intentional, teleological, or person explanations that cannot in principle be reduced to impersonal mechanistic explanations. And it is just false to say that in the absence of a further mechanistic explanation, all we have is a “placeholder.” Consider my cheering and pumping my fist when Steve Nash hits Amare Stoudemire with a alley-oop pass that results in a slam dunk for Amare against the San Antonio Spurs. The explanation that makes sense of that action on my part is that I am a fan of the Phoenix Suns who especially likes to see them beat the San Antonio Spurs. Having given that explanation, which is intentional in nature, I have not indicated whether or not there is some further explanation available in terms of neurophysiology. No doubt neurophysiology is part of the account (no dualist wants to deny that), but whatever may be involved in that further account, or even if there is no further account and the intentional explanation is all we’re ever going  to have, nevertheless we do have an explanation and not just a placeholder. Indeed, a detailed analysis of my brain states would be far less explanatory in terms of what anyone wants to know about my state of mind after seeing that slam dunk than the simple intentional explanation that I gave above.&lt;br /&gt;            If, as I believe, God is a rational, personal being, surey that makes it more likely that rational creatures shold arise in a world God creates, because persons by nature are interested in communicating with other persons. So the prohbability that rational beings should emerge looks to me pretty good; the emergence of rational beings in a naturalistic universe seems very unlikely if not impossible.&lt;br /&gt;            While we do not know any strict laws concerning God’s conduct, we certainly think we know various things regarded God’s character which make some divine acts more likely than others. If God were to resurrect someone from the dead who lived in the  21st Century, it would more likely be Mother Teresa than Adolf Hitler.&lt;br /&gt;            The inadequacy objection gratuitously assumes that matter is what is clearly understandable, and that “mind” is something mysterious, the very existence of which has to be explained in terms of unmysterious matter. This seems just false. According to Galen Strawson:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color:#3333ff;"&gt;This is the assumption that we have a pretty good understanding of the nature of matter—of matter and space—of the phsyical in general. It is only relative to this assumption that the existence of consciousness in the material world seems mystifying. For what exactly is puzzling about consciousness, once we put the assumption aside? Suppose you have an experience of redness, or pain, and consider it to be just as such. There doesn’t seem to be any room for amything that could be called a failure to understand what it is.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;            On the toher hand, matter is described by modern physics in the most mystifying terms imaginable. The philosopher of science Bas van Fraassen writes: “Do concepts of the soul…baffle you? They pale beside the unimaginable otherniess of closed space-times, event horizons, EPR correlations, and bootstrap models.”&lt;br /&gt;            Parsons says &lt;span style="color:#3333ff;"&gt;“When I am told that consciosuenss and reasoning are due to the inscrutable and miraculous operations of occult powers wielded by an undetectable entity that exists nowhere in the physical universe, I am not enlightened&lt;/span&gt;.” I will not comment on whether or not this description of mind/body dualism backed up by theism is an apt one, although I consider it to be actually misleading. Nonetheless, I would simply pointo ut that to be enlightened is to discover the truth, and if thsie is the truth, then it is enlightening, even though it may be epistemically frustrating to someone like Parsons. Second, the “obscurantism” I am advocateing may be necessary to preserve science itself, while (if I am right) a mechanistic account of mind undermines the scientific enterprise. Parsons’ own theory makes Einstein’s theory of relativity and Darwin’s theory of evolution the result of blind physical causes. In the last analysis, whose theory is more obscurantist?&lt;br /&gt;            Therefore I maintain that the inadequacy objection gratuitously assumes that the only real explanations are mechanistic explanations, and that this is evidently false. It is supposed to be part of God’s nature to be rational. If we explain one thing in terms of something else, and that something else in terms of something else again, the chain of explanation will have to terminate somewhere. The theist explains the existence of ratioanlity in the universe by appealing to the inherent rationality of God. It cannot be the case that the materialist can actually argue that one ought never to explain anything in terms of something having such and such a nature. One cannot go on giving reductive explanations forever. If, as I have argued, we have good reason to suppose that reason cannot be built up out of nonintentional and nonteleological building blocks, then in order to preserve reason and the logical foundations of science, we have good reason to accept a nonmaterialist understanding of the universe. If my argument in this essay is correct, then explainig reason in terms of unreason explains reason away, and undercuts the very reason on which the explanation is supposed to be based.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/38436816-456215249904993546?l=dangerousidea2.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://dangerousidea2.blogspot.com/feeds/456215249904993546/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=38436816&amp;postID=456215249904993546' title='16 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/38436816/posts/default/456215249904993546'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/38436816/posts/default/456215249904993546'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://dangerousidea2.blogspot.com/2007/12/inadequacy-objection.html' title='The inadequacy objection'/><author><name>Victor Reppert</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/10962948073162156902</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='29' height='32' src='http://bp1.blogger.com/_fbDbFJGRmD8/R9q9gPtFDhI/AAAAAAAAAB8/LZmw1YsTEtE/S220/reppert.jpg'/></author><thr:total>16</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38436816.post-3896916137242890913</id><published>2007-12-27T12:55:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2007-12-27T12:56:30.486-08:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Richard Carrier'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='The Argument from Reason'/><title type='text'>Armchair science</title><content type='html'>A.     Armchair Science&lt;br /&gt;Richard Carrier, in his critique of my book, accused me of doing armchair science maintaining that a materialist account of reasoning would invariably be inadequate. Science is continuously expanding our knowledge of the mind and its capabilities, and while present science may not yet have all the answers as to how the mind works, it is the height of presumption to assume an adequate physicalist analysis of the mind will not be forthcoming. To make matters worse, my argument contains no discussion of current work in cognitive science and neuroscience.&lt;br /&gt;First of all, my argument never denies that brain science can discover a great deal about how the mind works. However, we need to ask what exactly we are expecting science to discover here. Scientific analyses of cognition give us numerous correlations between mental states and brain states. As Moreland puts it:&lt;br /&gt;It will do no good for the naturalist to claim that once we know more about the brain, we will be able to explain how mental states emerge in the developing brain. At best, such a so-called explanation would merely state a correlation about the fact that such emergence regularly obtains and dualists are happy with such correlation. But a correlation that answers a question is not the same thing as saying how the emergence is exemplified.&lt;br /&gt;            I have been arguing that there is a logico-conceptual chasm between the physical and the intelligible world. On my view physical analyses, by their very nature, must perforce be compatible with a multiplicity of mental states, or with the absence of mental states entirely. Success in finding correlations will not solve this problem. Bridging the chasm isn’t going to simply be a matter of exploring the territory on one side of the chasm. What neuroscience is going to have to come up with is an intertheoretic reduction between the mental and the physical. However, even many naturalists are convinced that such a reduction will not be forthcoming.&lt;br /&gt;            Consider the frequently maintained assertion that no “ought” statement can be derived from an “is” statement. Whatever you think of this argument, it seems an inadequate response to say that this claim is guilty of armchair science, that somehow if we mapped the brain and the rest of the physical world well enough we could figure out what moral norms are true and which are not.  The kind of assertion made by normative ethics is something that we can see cannot possibly follow logically from scientific claims about the physical world, however comprehensive or sophisticated.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/38436816-3896916137242890913?l=dangerousidea2.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://dangerousidea2.blogspot.com/feeds/3896916137242890913/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=38436816&amp;postID=3896916137242890913' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/38436816/posts/default/3896916137242890913'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/38436816/posts/default/3896916137242890913'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://dangerousidea2.blogspot.com/2007/12/armchair-science.html' title='Armchair science'/><author><name>Victor Reppert</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/10962948073162156902</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='29' height='32' src='http://bp1.blogger.com/_fbDbFJGRmD8/R9q9gPtFDhI/AAAAAAAAAB8/LZmw1YsTEtE/S220/reppert.jpg'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38436816.post-2832700053861662523</id><published>2007-12-27T12:54:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2007-12-27T12:55:25.371-08:00</updated><title type='text'>The problem of interaction</title><content type='html'>A.     The Problem of Interaction&lt;br /&gt;One of the most popular arguments for materialism is the argument that dualism saddles the dualist with the problem of interaction: the problem of seeing how something nonphysical can interact with something physical. William Lycan, for example, provides four arguments against mind-body dualism.&lt;br /&gt;First, Lycan argues that Cartesian minds do not fit in with our otherwise physical and scientific picture of the world. However, I have been arguing that a truly scientific understanding of the world has to include scientists who engage in mathematical and scientific reasoning, and that we need something non-physical to explain the existence of scientists. Absent an effective reply to my arguments on this score, I can maintain that my dualism, not his materialism, is the truly science-supporting world-view.  Further, it is not the case that we know nothing about such a soul. We know that it is the sort of thing whose essence it is to act for reasons, possibly because it was created to do so.&lt;br /&gt;Second, Lycan argues that human beings evolved over aeons through a purely physical process of natural selection and random mutation. However, it is the thrust of my argument that our minds couldn’t be the product of “blind watchmaker” evolution, and it begs the question against my argument to insist that it does, absent a good explanation of how reason is possible in a physicalistic universe. Hence to insist that our minds are the product of “blind watchmaker” evolution in the face of an argument that suggests otherwise is to beg the question.&lt;br /&gt;Third, according to Lycan, if minds are nonspatial, how could they interact with physical objects in space?  However, I did not argue that minds are non-spatial, I am just arguing that the basic explanation of their activity is rational rather than non-rational. Second, if nothing non-spatial can interact with anything spatial, then we would have an argument that a creator God is impossible. Have atheists been missing out on a good argument here? Nevertheless, where is the analysis of cause that shows that an effect in space can only have a cause in space? It certainly seems logically possible for something that is not in space to interact with something that is. The claim that it is impossible is often simply made as a bald assertion, without supporting argumentation.&lt;br /&gt;Fourth, Lycan argues that a soul interacting with the body would be a violation of conservation laws. However, I don’t see a problem here either, because the conservation laws tell us only what will happen within a closed physical system all things being equal, and cannot tell us what will happen in something outside the physical system interferes. So once again, the argument assumes the truth of physicalism, and so begs the question.&lt;br /&gt;Jaegwon Kim has asked what connects a soul with a body, so as to enable causal connections between them. Now, my argument, as I have indicated earlier, does not actually contend that the soul must be non-spatial. What I have been arguing is that some thing must exist whose can act independently of the nexus of non-rational causation so as to be determined by reasons and not physical causes.  It could be in space or not in space.&lt;br /&gt;If the soul is not spatial, then the body might have some identifying characteristic, unique to itself throughout its career, that the soul can identify. Or perhaps God creates and sustains the causal interaction between the soul and the body.&lt;br /&gt;Another option is a Thomistic form of dualism, according to which the person is a single thing that is a combination of form (the soul) and matter (the body). On a Aristotelian-Thomistic view, there are, in the final analysis, no purely material objects, and everything is a combination of matter and form.&lt;br /&gt;There is also Hasker’s emergent dualism, which involves the matter having potentialities to produce a soul distinct from itself. If the soul is somehow produced by the body, then the soul should be able to identify the body that produced it. Of course, these sorts of potentialities in matter would be hard to accept within a naturalistic framework, though if theism is accepted, the antecedent probability is lessened.&lt;br /&gt;I do not want to underestimate the difficulties that Kim is posing here. However, I have argued that there must be something inherently rational which is responsible for the rationality we find in the world.  It seems that that can be cashed out in a variety of ways, all of which have the advantage of not requiring is to somehow identify our reason with a set of mechanistically defined, inherently non-rational states.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/38436816-2832700053861662523?l=dangerousidea2.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://dangerousidea2.blogspot.com/feeds/2832700053861662523/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=38436816&amp;postID=2832700053861662523' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/38436816/posts/default/2832700053861662523'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/38436816/posts/default/2832700053861662523'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://dangerousidea2.blogspot.com/2007/12/problem-of-interaction.html' title='The problem of interaction'/><author><name>Victor Reppert</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/10962948073162156902</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='29' height='32' src='http://bp1.blogger.com/_fbDbFJGRmD8/R9q9gPtFDhI/AAAAAAAAAB8/LZmw1YsTEtE/S220/reppert.jpg'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38436816.post-4787086146980603126</id><published>2007-12-27T12:53:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2007-12-27T12:54:35.467-08:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='computers'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='The Argument from Reason'/><title type='text'>The computer objection</title><content type='html'>A. The Argument from Computers&lt;br /&gt;            Sometimes it is thought to be easy to refute any argument from reason just by appealing to the existence of computers. Computers, according to the objection, reason, they also are undeniably physical system, but they are also rational. So whatever incompatibility there might be between mechanism and reason must be illusory. However, in the case of computers, the compatibility is the result of mental states in the background that deliberately create this compatibility. Thus, the chess computer Deep Blue was able to defeat the world champion Garry Kasparov in their 1997 chess match. However, Deep Blue’s ability to defeat Kasparov was not the exclusive result of physical causation, unless the people on the programming team (such as Grandmaster Joel Benjamin) are entirely physical results of physical causation. To assume that, however, is to beg the question against the advocate of the Argument from Reason. As Hasker points out:&lt;br /&gt;Computers function as they do because they have been constructed by human beings endowed with rational insight. A computer, in other words, is merely an extension of the rationality of its designers and users, it is no more an independent source of rational insight than a television set is an independent source of news and entertainment.&lt;br /&gt;            The argument from reason says that reason cannot emerge from a closed, mechanistic system. The computer is, narrowly speaking, a mechanistic system, and it does “follow” rational rules. But not only was the computer made by humans, the framework of meaning that makes the computer’s actions intelligible is supplied by humans. As a set of physical events, the actions of a computer are just as subject as anything else to the indeterminacy of the physical. If a computer plays the move Rf6, and we see it on the screen, it is our perception and understanding that gives that move a definite meaning. In fact, the move has no meaning to the computer itself, it only means something to persons playing and watching the game. Suppose we lived in a world without chess, and two computers were to magically materialize in the middle of the Gobi desert and go through all the physical states that the computers went through the last time Fritz played Shredder.  If that were true they would not be playing a chess game at all, since there would be no humans around to impose the context that made those physical processes a chess game and not something else. Hence I think that we can safely regard the computer objection as a red herring.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/38436816-4787086146980603126?l=dangerousidea2.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://dangerousidea2.blogspot.com/feeds/4787086146980603126/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=38436816&amp;postID=4787086146980603126' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/38436816/posts/default/4787086146980603126'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/38436816/posts/default/4787086146980603126'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://dangerousidea2.blogspot.com/2007/12/computer-objection.html' title='The computer objection'/><author><name>Victor Reppert</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/10962948073162156902</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='29' height='32' src='http://bp1.blogger.com/_fbDbFJGRmD8/R9q9gPtFDhI/AAAAAAAAAB8/LZmw1YsTEtE/S220/reppert.jpg'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38436816.post-510296132953857892</id><published>2007-12-24T18:08:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2007-12-27T10:35:12.143-08:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='intentionality'/><title type='text'>Menuge's argument for the claim that our intentionality is designed</title><content type='html'>&lt;p class="MsoBodyTextIndent2"&gt;&lt;span lang="EN"&gt;Angus Menuge suggests the following argument in support of the claim that our intentionality is the result of a prior intentionality: &lt;?xml:namespace prefix = o /&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoBodyTextIndent2" style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.75in; TEXT-INDENT: -0.25in"&gt;&lt;span lang="EN"&gt;1. If something has a purpose, then it is designed. &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoBodyTextIndent2" style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.75in; TEXT-INDENT: -0.25in"&gt;&lt;span lang="EN"&gt;2.&lt;span style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span lang="EN"&gt;Intentinality has the purpose of guiding behavior. &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoBodyTextIndent2" style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.75in; TEXT-INDENT: -0.25in"&gt;&lt;span lang="EN"&gt;3.&lt;span style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal"&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span lang="EN"&gt;So intentionality is designed. (1 and 2)&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoBodyTextIndent2" style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.75in; TEXT-INDENT: -0.25in"&gt;&lt;span lang="EN"&gt;4.&lt;span style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span lang="EN"&gt;But clearly, our intentionality was not designed by us, although it does enable us to convey our own designs. &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoBodyTextIndent2" style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.75in; TEXT-INDENT: -0.25in"&gt;&lt;span lang="EN"&gt;5.&lt;span style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal"&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span lang="EN"&gt;Thus, our intentionality is the result of prior design. (3 and 4)&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoBodyTextIndent2" style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.75in; TEXT-INDENT: -0.25in"&gt;&lt;span lang="EN"&gt;6.&lt;span style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span lang="EN"&gt;But…if something is designed, then it is the product of intentionality. &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoBodyTextIndent2" style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.75in; TEXT-INDENT: -0.25in"&gt;&lt;span lang="EN"&gt;7.&lt;span style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal"&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span lang="EN"&gt;So, if our intentionality is the product of prior intentionality. &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoBodyTextIndent2"&gt;&lt;span lang="EN"&gt;If this argument is correct, then intentionality can be grounds for thinking that our intentionality is the product of a prior intentionality. &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/38436816-510296132953857892?l=dangerousidea2.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://dangerousidea2.blogspot.com/feeds/510296132953857892/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=38436816&amp;postID=510296132953857892' title='8 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/38436816/posts/default/510296132953857892'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/38436816/posts/default/510296132953857892'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://dangerousidea2.blogspot.com/2007/12/menuges-argument-for-claim-that-our.html' title='Menuge&apos;s argument for the claim that our intentionality is designed'/><author><name>Victor Reppert</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/10962948073162156902</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='29' height='32' src='http://bp1.blogger.com/_fbDbFJGRmD8/R9q9gPtFDhI/AAAAAAAAAB8/LZmw1YsTEtE/S220/reppert.jpg'/></author><thr:total>8</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38436816.post-8054636296879279043</id><published>2007-12-24T17:59:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2007-12-24T18:01:08.411-08:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='the argument from intentionality'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='James Ross'/><title type='text'>James Ross's argument from intentional determinacy</title><content type='html'>&lt;p class="MsoBodyTextIndent2" style="text-indent: 0in;"&gt;&lt;span style="" lang="EN"&gt;James Ross, in his essay “Immaterial Aspects of Thought, presents an argument against a physicalist account of propositional content which I will call the Argument from Determinate Content. He writes: &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;   &lt;p class="MsoBodyTextIndent2" style="margin-left: 0.5in; text-indent: 0in;"&gt;&lt;span style="" lang="EN"&gt;Some thinking (judgment) is determinate in the way no physical process can be. Consequently, such thinking cannot be a (wholly) physical process. If all thinking, all judgment, is determinate in that way, no physical process can be the (the whole of) any judgment at all. Furthermore, “functions” amng physical states cannot be determinate enough to be such judgments, either. Hence some judgments can be niether wholly physical processes nor wholly functions among physical processes.&lt;sup&gt;52&lt;/sup&gt; &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;    &lt;p class="MsoBodyTextIndent2" style="text-indent: 0in;"&gt;&lt;span style="" lang="EN"&gt;Yet, he maintains, we cannot deny that we perform determinate mental operations. He writes: &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;   &lt;p class="MsoBodyTextIndent2" style="margin-left: 0.5in; text-indent: 0in;"&gt;&lt;span style="" lang="EN"&gt;I propose now, with some simple cases, to reinforce the perhaps already obvoius point that pure function has to be wholly realized in the single case, and cannot consist in the array of “inputs and outputs” for a certain kind of thinking. Does anyone count that we can actually square numberes? “4 times 4 is sixteen”; a definite form (N x N = N&lt;sup&gt;2&lt;/sup&gt;) is “squaring” for all relevant cases, whether or not we are able to process the digits, or ralk long enough to give the answer. To be squaring, I have to be doing some thing that works for all the cases, something for which any relevant case can be substituted without change in what I am doing, but only in which thing is done.&lt;sup&gt;53&lt;/sup&gt; &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;   &lt;p class="MsoBodyTextIndent2" style="text-indent: 0in;"&gt;&lt;span style="" lang="EN"&gt;I should add that if we don’t literally add, subtract, divide, multiply, square numbers and take their square roots, not to mention perform all the complicated mathematical operations involved in, say, Einstein’s theory of relativity, then physicalism, which not only says that reality is physical but that physics, at least approximately, gets it right, is up the creek without a paddle. &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;   &lt;p class="MsoBodyTextIndent2" style="text-indent: 0in;"&gt;&lt;span style="" lang="EN"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;            &lt;/span&gt;Ross’s argument can be formalized as follows. &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;   &lt;p class="MsoBodyTextIndent2" style="margin-left: 0.75in; text-indent: -0.25in;"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportLists]--&gt;&lt;span style="" lang="EN"&gt;1.&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"&gt;      &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;span style="" lang="EN"&gt;Some mental states have determinate content. In particular, the states involved in adding, subtracting, multiplying, dividing, in squaring numbers and taking their square roots, are determinate with respect to their intentional content. &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;   &lt;p class="MsoBodyTextIndent2" style="margin-left: 0.75in; text-indent: -0.25in;"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportLists]--&gt;&lt;span style="" lang="EN"&gt;2.&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"&gt;      &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;span style="" lang="EN"&gt;Physical states are indeterminate with respect to intentional content. Any physical state is logically compatible with the existence of a mulitplicity of propostionally defined intentional states, or even with the absence of propositionally defined intentional states entirely. &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;   &lt;p class="MsoBodyTextIndent2" style="margin-left: 0.75in; text-indent: -0.25in;"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportLists]--&gt;3.&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"&gt;      &lt;/span&gt;&lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;span style="" lang="EN"&gt;Therefore, the mental states involed in mathematical operations are not and cannot be identical to physical states. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/38436816-8054636296879279043?l=dangerousidea2.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://dangerousidea2.blogspot.com/feeds/8054636296879279043/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=38436816&amp;postID=8054636296879279043' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/38436816/posts/default/8054636296879279043'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/38436816/posts/default/8054636296879279043'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://dangerousidea2.blogspot.com/2007/12/james-rosss-argument-from-intentional.html' title='James Ross&apos;s argument from intentional determinacy'/><author><name>Victor Reppert</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/10962948073162156902</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='29' height='32' src='http://bp1.blogger.com/_fbDbFJGRmD8/R9q9gPtFDhI/AAAAAAAAAB8/LZmw1YsTEtE/S220/reppert.jpg'/></author><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38436816.post-4182422633844933661</id><published>2007-12-20T11:52:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2007-12-20T12:01:01.345-08:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='evolutionary argument against naturalism'/><title type='text'>Lakatos and the Evolutionary Argument Against Naturalism</title><content type='html'>I had originally put this discussion on my original DI blog, but it got into some areas related to the Argument from Reason, and I noticed in reading the comments that Exapologist thought that the discussion should go over here. Exapologist claims, in the combox, that a Lakatosian philosophy of science permits a naturalist to accept the reliability of our rational faculties even if the probability that our faculties are reliable on naturalism is low or inscrutable.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Though I wonder if the argument could go something like this.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;R (thesis that our faculties are reliable) is a control belief of science. If we deny it, then confidence in science, which the naturalist must accept, goes by the boards.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Prob/R is low or inscrutable given naturalism.&lt;br /&gt;Prob/R is considerably higher given theism.&lt;br /&gt;Therefore, R provides probabalistic support for theism as opposed to naturalism.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/38436816-4182422633844933661?l=dangerousidea2.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='related' href='http://dangerousidea.blogspot.com/2007/08/naturalism.html' title='Lakatos and the Evolutionary Argument Against Naturalism'/><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://dangerousidea2.blogspot.com/feeds/4182422633844933661/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=38436816&amp;postID=4182422633844933661' title='6 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/38436816/posts/default/4182422633844933661'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/38436816/posts/default/4182422633844933661'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://dangerousidea2.blogspot.com/2007/12/lakatos-and-evolutionary-argument.html' title='Lakatos and the Evolutionary Argument Against Naturalism'/><author><name>Victor Reppert</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/10962948073162156902</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='29' height='32' src='http://bp1.blogger.com/_fbDbFJGRmD8/R9q9gPtFDhI/AAAAAAAAAB8/LZmw1YsTEtE/S220/reppert.jpg'/></author><thr:total>6</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38436816.post-7629923152802413872</id><published>2007-12-20T08:09:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2007-12-20T08:12:02.868-08:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Naturalism'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='eliminative materialism'/><title type='text'>Do naturalists exist?</title><content type='html'>Not if eliminativism is true.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;1. Naturalists are persons who believe that there is nothing other than nature.&lt;br /&gt;2. If eliminativism is true, there are no persons who believe anything.&lt;br /&gt;3. Therefore, there are no persons who believe that only nature exists.&lt;br /&gt;4. Therefore, if eliminativism is true, there are no naturalists.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/38436816-7629923152802413872?l=dangerousidea2.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://dangerousidea2.blogspot.com/feeds/7629923152802413872/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=38436816&amp;postID=7629923152802413872' title='3 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/38436816/posts/default/7629923152802413872'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/38436816/posts/default/7629923152802413872'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://dangerousidea2.blogspot.com/2007/12/do-naturalists-exist.html' title='Do naturalists exist?'/><author><name>Victor Reppert</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/10962948073162156902</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='29' height='32' src='http://bp1.blogger.com/_fbDbFJGRmD8/R9q9gPtFDhI/AAAAAAAAAB8/LZmw1YsTEtE/S220/reppert.jpg'/></author><thr:total>3</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38436816.post-8770541923540991870</id><published>2007-12-20T07:48:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2007-12-20T07:49:52.814-08:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Plantinga'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='evolutionary argument against naturalism'/><title type='text'>Troy Nunley's defense of Plantinga's Evolutionary Argument Against Naturalism</title><content type='html'>&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/38436816-8770541923540991870?l=dangerousidea2.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='related' href='http://edt.missouri.edu/Winter2005/Dissertation/NunleyT-060605-D1612/' title='Troy Nunley&apos;s defense of Plantinga&apos;s Evolutionary Argument Against Naturalism'/><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://dangerousidea2.blogspot.com/feeds/8770541923540991870/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=38436816&amp;postID=8770541923540991870' title='2 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/38436816/posts/default/8770541923540991870'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/38436816/posts/default/8770541923540991870'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://dangerousidea2.blogspot.com/2007/12/troy-nunleys-defense-of-plantingas.html' title='Troy Nunley&apos;s defense of Plantinga&apos;s Evolutionary Argument Against Naturalism'/><author><name>Victor Reppert</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/10962948073162156902</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='29' height='32' src='http://bp1.blogger.com/_fbDbFJGRmD8/R9q9gPtFDhI/AAAAAAAAAB8/LZmw1YsTEtE/S220/reppert.jpg'/></author><thr:total>2</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38436816.post-2627356589006155612</id><published>2007-12-19T07:44:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2007-12-19T07:53:15.113-08:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Materialism'/><title type='text'>James Ross's Immaterial Aspects of Thought</title><content type='html'>This is a nice anti-materialist paper.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/38436816-2627356589006155612?l=dangerousidea2.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='related' href='http://www.sas.upenn.edu/~jross/zchap6.htm' title='James Ross&apos;s Immaterial Aspects of Thought'/><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://dangerousidea2.blogspot.com/feeds/2627356589006155612/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=38436816&amp;postID=2627356589006155612' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/38436816/posts/default/2627356589006155612'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/38436816/posts/default/2627356589006155612'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://dangerousidea2.blogspot.com/2007/12/blog-post.html' title='James Ross&apos;s Immaterial Aspects of Thought'/><author><name>Victor Reppert</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/10962948073162156902</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='29' height='32' src='http://bp1.blogger.com/_fbDbFJGRmD8/R9q9gPtFDhI/AAAAAAAAAB8/LZmw1YsTEtE/S220/reppert.jpg'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38436816.post-3405457173879131278</id><published>2007-12-16T19:23:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2007-12-16T19:25:28.954-08:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='the argument from mental causation'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Darek Barefoot'/><title type='text'>Darek Barefoot's argument from Mental Causation</title><content type='html'>Darek Barefoot, in response to some criticisms of my book by Richard Carrier, has developed a version of the argument from mental causation based on two corollaries of naturalism and two corollaries of reason. The corollaries of naturalism must be true if naturalism is true, the two corollaries of reason must be true if there is to be the sort of rational inference we find in the sciences. &lt;br /&gt; The two corollaries of naturalism are:&lt;br /&gt;1) To the extent that changes in natural systems have causes, those causes are potentially available to the senses either directly or by scientific instruments. &lt;br /&gt;2) Every belief accompanies a natural (physical) state, and the properties of a belief are wholly dependent upon and determined by the natural state that it accompanies. &lt;br /&gt; The two corollaries of reason are: &lt;br /&gt;1) Reason includes, although it is not limited to, the acceptance of a belief due to the accurate, conscious perception that true premises logically entail it. &lt;br /&gt;2) A belief may be considered to be held rationally only to the extent that what are consciously perceived by the holder to be the reasons for his accepting the belief are in fact the reasons for his doing so. &lt;br /&gt; It should be noted that the corollaries of reason need not be true of all beliefs. We might believe some things non-inferentially because we perceive the objects in question. Thus, perhaps my belief that my glasses are one the table doesn’t require me to draw any inferences in order to be justified. If I have a hunch that Smith won’t betray my secret if I tell it to him, this may not have to be due to some traceable reasoning process. However, if we deny that there is rational inference of the kind that I have been talking about in this essay, which conforms to the two cited corollaries of reason, then the heart of science is ripped out. If physics is a true source of knowledge about the physical, then some people have to be able to draw precise mathematical inferences.  &lt;br /&gt; What lies at the heart of naturalism is the idea that the methods of science, of observation and measurement, can be applied to every type of reality. In the last analysis, everything is at least potentially available to the senses and can be analyzed in scientific terms. If there are features of reality that we can only reach through introspection, which in principle someone could not figure out looking at it from the outside, then something has escaped the nets of naturalistic analysis. &lt;br /&gt; If a broadly materialist world-view is true, then only physical states can have any causal efficacy. If could provide necessary and sufficient conditions for propositional s states by specifying physical states, then we would be able to bring propositional contents into the web of causal interaction in a naturalistic world. However, the trouble is we cannot do that. The following is an adaptation of an argument Barefoot provides against the reconcilability of the corollaries of reason with the corollaries of naturalism. &lt;br /&gt;1) Only the physical properties of representations can generate functional states in computational systems. &lt;br /&gt;2) Propositional contents cannot be identified with the physical properties and their representations. &lt;br /&gt;3) Therefore, propositional contents cannot generate functional states in computational systems. &lt;br /&gt;4) Propositional contents generate some beliefs in some minds. &lt;br /&gt;5) Therefore, some beliefs in minds cannot be identified with, or wholly dependent upon, functional states in computational systems. &lt;br /&gt; I conclude, therefore that the problem of mental causation is still a serious difficulty for materialism, and failure to solve it calls into question the very scientific enterprise which alone provides the foundations for naturalism. We still haven’t got a good naturalistic answer to the question “Even if grounds do exist, what exactly have they got to do with belief as a psychological event.”&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/38436816-3405457173879131278?l=dangerousidea2.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='related' href='http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/darek_barefoot/dangerous.html' title='Darek Barefoot&apos;s argument from Mental Causation'/><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://dangerousidea2.blogspot.com/feeds/3405457173879131278/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=38436816&amp;postID=3405457173879131278' title='25 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/38436816/posts/default/3405457173879131278'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/38436816/posts/default/3405457173879131278'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://dangerousidea2.blogspot.com/2007/12/darek-barefoots-argument-from-mental.html' title='Darek Barefoot&apos;s argument from Mental Causation'/><author><name>Victor Reppert</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/10962948073162156902</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='29' height='32' src='http://bp1.blogger.com/_fbDbFJGRmD8/R9q9gPtFDhI/AAAAAAAAAB8/LZmw1YsTEtE/S220/reppert.jpg'/></author><thr:total>25</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38436816.post-4254424786994046222</id><published>2007-12-16T19:20:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2007-12-16T19:34:36.518-08:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='supervenience'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='the argument from mental causation'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Hasker'/><title type='text'>Hasker's argument from mental causation</title><content type='html'>B. The Argument from Mental Causation&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);"&gt; The third argument, and a very significant one, is the argument from mental causation. Recall for a moment Lewis’s discussion of how rationally inferred beliefs must be caused:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);"&gt; But even if grounds do exist, what exactly have they got to do with the actual occurrence of the belief as a psychological event? If it is an event it must be caused. \It must in fact be simply one link in a causal chain which stretches back to the beginning and forward to the end of time. How could such a trifle as lack of logical grounds prevent the belief's occurrence or how could the existence of grounds promote it?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);"&gt;There seems to be only one possible answer. We must say that just as one way in which a mental event causes a subsequent mental event is by Association (when I think of parsnips I think of my first school), so another way in which it can cause it, is simply by being a ground for it. For then being a cause and being a proof would coincide.But this, as it stands, is clearly untrue. We know by experience that a thought does not necessarily cause all, or even any, of the thoughts which logically stand to it as Consequents to Ground. We should be in a pretty pickle &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);"&gt;if we could never think 'This is glass' without drawing all the inferences which could be drawn. It is impossible to draw them all; quite often we draw none. We must therefore amend our suggested law. One thought can cause another not by being, but by being seen to be, a ground for it.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So besides the existence of facts to think about, and our capacity to perceive a self-evident rule that permits the inference (which we will get to when we talk about logical laws), we also must be able to arrange these facts to prove a conclusion, and it must be possible for new beliefs to be brought into existence by this kind of a process of reasoning. To those who, like Anscombe, are inclined to think that reasons-explanations are always non-causal in nature, I would like to ask how we are to understand words like “convince” or “persuade”? Presumably rational convincing and persuading is the goal of&lt;br /&gt;argumentative discourse, but if reasons are in no sense causal in nature, this is impossible.&lt;br /&gt;Suppose we were to answer Lewis’s questions “Even if grounds do exist, what have the got to do with the actual occurrence of belief as a psychological event” by saying "Nothing. Beliefs (if they exist at all given naturalism--of course this is denied by eliminativists) are strictly epiphenomenal. It seems to us that we hold beliefs for good reasons, but if we examine how these beliefs are produced and sustained, we find that reasons have nothing to do with it. We think they do, but this is just one more example of the 'user illusion.'” If we were to say that, it seems to me that the possibility of science as an operation would have to be called into question. As Jerry Fodor once put it:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(102, 51, 255);"&gt;"If it isn't literally true that my wanting is causally responsible for my reaching, and my itching is causally responsible for my scratching, and my believing is causally responsible for my saying. ..if none of that is literally true, then practically everything I believe about anything is false and it's the end of the world.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Further, we have to look at just what is involved when we talk about causal transactions. Only some properties of an object are casually relevant to the production of the effect. For example, if I take the baseball that Luis Gonzalez hit to win the 2001 World Series for the Arizona Diamondbacks over the New York Yankees, and throw it at the window, it would break the window only in virtue of the force it applied to the window. It does not break the window in virtue of its having been the ball Gonzo hit against Mariano Rivera. When Lewis says “One thought can cause another not by being, but by being seen to be, a ground for it, obviously not only must one mental even cause another mental event, but it must do so in virtue of its propositional content, and in fact, in virtue of the kind of logical relationships between the relevant propositions.&lt;br /&gt;There are a couple of arguments that have been developed to show that given the causal closure of the physical, rational inference is impossible. In William Hasker’s third chapter of The Emergent Self, entitled “Why the Physical Isn’t Closed,” Hasker uses a counterfactual argument to show that the kinds of counterfactuals involved in mental causation will turn out false if the physical is closed. Let’s just take what it is to be persuaded by the evidence for some claim. Let us say that Marcia believes that O. J. Simpson is guilty of murder on the basis of the blood evidence, along with other considerations. What this would have to mean is that if there were no evidence in favor of O. J.’s guilt, she wouldn’t think him guilty. If it turns out she was hardwired or sufficiently prejudiced to think of African-American former football stars as guilty of murder regardless of the state of the evidence, this would make your claim to believe on the basis of evidence false. So for someone to claim to believe that O. J. is guilty (or innocent) on the basis of evidence, the following conditionals must be true.&lt;br /&gt;a) If strong evidence supporting O. J.’s guilt exists, then Marcia would believe that O. J. is guilty&lt;br /&gt;b) If strong evidence supporting&lt;br /&gt;If physicalism is true, then sufficient physical causes for one’s forming the belief that O. J. is guilty must exist if you are to believe that O. J. is guilty. Thus, if the physical conditions exist for you to form the belief that O. J. is guilty, then you will form that belief, and if they don’t you won’t. Yet, those physical conditions contain nothing about blood evidence or any other kind of evidence. After all, could be a similar world in which the evidence-thoughts do not occur, but the belief is formed anyway. As Hasker explains:&lt;br /&gt;Following John Pollock, we assume that a counterfactual conditional is true if and only if the consequent is true in all those worlds minimally changed from the actual world in which the antecendent is true. Would a world minimally changed from the actual world in which she doesn’t see that her belief is supported by good reasons, be one in which she would not accept the belief? No doubt there are a number of different ways in which the world could be changed just enough to satisfy the antecedent of the conditional; in some of these she accepts the belief while in others she doesn’t. And there is no basis for saying that those in which she doesn’t accept it are less changed from the actual world in which she does, or vice versa.&lt;br /&gt;I am assuming here, on the basis of my discussion of intentionality earlier, that mental states are not type-reducible to physical states. However, let us suppose that the mental state supervenes on the physical state. It is true, that, according to strong supervenience, the mental state must exist if the physical state does. Still, we can imagine the truths of supervenience being different from what they are, and if those truths of supervenience are different, the belief is formed in the absence of evidence. Further, if the universe is fundamentally physical, that means that the physical facts are the most fundamental facts in existence, more fundamental, surely, than the truths of supervenience.&lt;br /&gt;Hasker considers the possibility that the truths of supervenience are metaphysically necessary truths. If the laws governing objects in the world are metaphysically necessary truths, then we can take a world of objects similar to this world, except with regard to the psychophysical connections that obtain in this world. Such a world would be a zombie-world, in which the basic properties of matter would be zombie-protons, zombie neutrons, zombie-electrons, zombie-quarks or zombie-strings. In such a world, again, the appropriate beliefs could be formed in the absence of the relevant evidence. The mental states are irrelevant to physical events, which have physical causes and only physical causes, according to materialism, and whatever mental states might exist, exist in virtue of the physical states.&lt;br /&gt;On top of this, I should revert to what I said earlier, that the claim that given the physical, the mental necessarily supervenes seems to me just plain ungrounded. Given the physical, why does there have to be just these mental states? Why do there have to be intentional states at all. Appeal to supervenience in this context is just a mask for a lack of understanding, it seems to me.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/38436816-4254424786994046222?l=dangerousidea2.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://dangerousidea2.blogspot.com/feeds/4254424786994046222/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=38436816&amp;postID=4254424786994046222' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/38436816/posts/default/4254424786994046222'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/38436816/posts/default/4254424786994046222'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://dangerousidea2.blogspot.com/2007/12/haskers-argument-from-mental-causation.html' title='Hasker&apos;s argument from mental causation'/><author><name>Victor Reppert</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/10962948073162156902</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='29' height='32' src='http://bp1.blogger.com/_fbDbFJGRmD8/R9q9gPtFDhI/AAAAAAAAAB8/LZmw1YsTEtE/S220/reppert.jpg'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38436816.post-6671729471725491303</id><published>2007-12-16T16:16:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2007-12-16T16:17:10.703-08:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Materialism'/><title type='text'>Mystery and Materialism</title><content type='html'>3. Mystery and Materialism&lt;br /&gt;In his book God and the Reach of Reason, Erik Wielenberg attempts to respond to &lt;br /&gt;Lewis’s argument from reason, using a parallel with some Christian responses to the argument from evil. In response to the argument from evil, Christian philosophers have sometimes attempted to produce theodicies which explain God’s reason for permitting various of the world’s evils. Other Christians, however, have argued that our inability to explain this, that, or the other instance of evil in suffering is not the end of the world for theists. We are, after all, human beings with limited understanding, and it would be surprising if God were to exist and we could understand God’s ways well enough to know why some particular instance of suffering was permitted. In the same way, the fact that no analysis of intentional states in physical terms need not be fatal for materialism, because it could be that our brains are simply not well-suited to understand the connections between the mental and the physical.  If we can’t figure out how the mental could possibly be, in the last analysis physical, that need not be because the mental is really non-physical, it could be simply that we have trouble solving philosophical problems. The response he gives to the argument from reason is very much akin to the “mysterian” view in the philosophy of consciousness put forward by Colin McGinn. &lt;br /&gt; However, several responses can be given here. In responding to the argument from evil in the terms delineated above, it does seem to me that the theist in engaging in a damage control project rather than a project that actually refutes the argument from evil. If an atheistic world-view can come up with an explanation for the suffering in the world that makes more sense than theism can possibly offer, then it seems to me that the argument from evil still counts in favor of atheism. Some theists are prepared to admit that the existence of suffering counts against theism, but just think that there is better reason to be a theist nonetheless. Of course, it would be another matter if the atheists’ explanation for suffering could be shown to be fundamentally inadequate. If that were the case, the the force of the atheistic argument could be blunted completely. On my view we have to consider the fact that on a broadly materialist world-view, the existence of qualia such as pain, as well as the existence of a moral standard by which to judge something to be evil, are both problematic, so I am not fully convinced that the argument from evil really points to an explanatory advantage for atheism. However, it may be that it does, in which case the explanatory disadvantage for theism need not be fatal. &lt;br /&gt; Every time I have presented the argument from reason, I have put it forward as a factor that should count in favor of theism, but not necessarily decisively. In evaluating particular arguments, it is important not to get “tunnel vision” and think that the argument now being considered is the only consideration for or against theism. So I can easily imagine someone saying “Yes, reason is tough for atheists to explain, but theists have worse problems, so I am not going to go there.” In fact, I introduced the comparison between the argument from reason and the argument from evil in my book’s penultimate paragraph. I wrote: &lt;br /&gt;However, I do contend that the arguments from reason do provide some substantial reasons for preferring theism to naturalism. The “problem of reason” is a huge problem for natuarlism, as serious or, I would say, more serious, than the problem of evil is for theists. But while theists have expended considerable effort in confronting the problem of evil, the problem of reason has not as yet been acknowledged as a serious problem for naturalism. &lt;br /&gt;Now, once again, the force of the argument from reason could be blunted if it could be shown that whatever the weaknesses of the various materialistic accounts of reason, a non-naturalistic account of reason would have to be by its very nature inadequate. However, theism does offer a way whereby we can say that we need not be saddled with the problem of how reason might arise in a universe that lacked it to begin with, or how rational states can supervene on lower-level states that lack rationality entirely. If we ask “Why does reason exist at all?” the theist can answer “It is on the ground floor of reality. Its existence is more fundamental to the ultimate causes of the universe than the existence of matter itself.&lt;br /&gt; Others have argued that whatever theistic explanations are always inadequate explanations, and that we are better off saying “I don’t know” than attributing anything to God. That is the force of what I call the Inadequacy Objection, and it is an argument that I will take up later in this essay.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/38436816-6671729471725491303?l=dangerousidea2.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://dangerousidea2.blogspot.com/feeds/6671729471725491303/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=38436816&amp;postID=6671729471725491303' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/38436816/posts/default/6671729471725491303'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/38436816/posts/default/6671729471725491303'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://dangerousidea2.blogspot.com/2007/12/mystery-and-materialism.html' title='Mystery and Materialism'/><author><name>Victor Reppert</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/10962948073162156902</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='29' height='32' src='http://bp1.blogger.com/_fbDbFJGRmD8/R9q9gPtFDhI/AAAAAAAAAB8/LZmw1YsTEtE/S220/reppert.jpg'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38436816.post-3432656240921241465</id><published>2007-12-14T08:28:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2007-12-14T08:37:36.389-08:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Wittgenstein'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Naturalism'/><title type='text'>Can a Wittgensteinian be a naturalist?</title><content type='html'>I suppose one can if all it means is not having any supernatural beings in the language game one plays. But, for example, my late teacher Peter Winch argued, in the essay "Understanding a Primitive Society" that saying, "Of course, science is true and Azande witchcraft isn't true," is an unacceptable form a realism that fails to recognize the differences in language games. I have a strong sense that these kinds of arguments leave people like Blue Devil Knight shaking their heads.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/38436816-3432656240921241465?l=dangerousidea2.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='related' href='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Winch' title='Can a Wittgensteinian be a naturalist?'/><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://dangerousidea2.blogspot.com/feeds/3432656240921241465/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=38436816&amp;postID=3432656240921241465' title='7 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/38436816/posts/default/3432656240921241465'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/38436816/posts/default/3432656240921241465'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://dangerousidea2.blogspot.com/2007/12/can-wittgensteinian-be-naturalist.html' title='Can a Wittgensteinian be a naturalist?'/><author><name>Victor Reppert</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/10962948073162156902</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='29' height='32' src='http://bp1.blogger.com/_fbDbFJGRmD8/R9q9gPtFDhI/AAAAAAAAAB8/LZmw1YsTEtE/S220/reppert.jpg'/></author><thr:total>7</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38436816.post-6018775188787749239</id><published>2007-12-10T10:46:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2007-12-10T10:47:34.754-08:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='truth'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='eliminative materialism'/><title type='text'>Materialism and the Problem of Truth</title><content type='html'>II. The Argument from Truth&lt;br /&gt;A second argument I provided was the argument from truth. Let us reflect for a moment on truth as an epistemic summum bonum or supreme good. It seems to me that the scientific enterprise, at least as classically understood, is based on a desire first and foremost to know the truth, and only secondly to manipulate and control the world. We are told, for example, that no matter how comforting it is to have religious beliefs, if those beliefs are not based on good evidence that they are true, then they ought to be abandoned.&lt;br /&gt;But this raises some questions about what this property of truth is, that we should abandon beliefs that we may find comforting for the sake of truth. Here it seems that many “deflationary” accounts of truth are going to fail to capture why we care about truth so much. In William Hasker’s generally friendly response to me in Philosophia Christi he asks&lt;br /&gt;And now consider truth: why should the naturalist find it problematic? That snow is white is true just in case snow is white; what would motivate (let alone force) a naturalist to reject this?&lt;br /&gt;Here Hasker is adverting to a Tarskian disquotational theory of truth; truth is a matter of taking quotation marks of sentences. But truth has to have more to it than this if it is to carry the weight of being the supreme epistemic value. Timothy Erdel takes Quine to task for, at one point, saying that he rejected religion and politics in favor of the pursuit of truth, but then he defines truth in this disquotational way. As he says:&lt;br /&gt;If truth is no more than Quine generally claims when he is describing or explaining truth (as opposed to when he is appealing to it as the grounding motive more his life’s work), namely, the removing of quotation marks from the names of sentences, then one senses some fairly significant equivocation in his use of the term, “truth.”&lt;br /&gt;Presumably one does not cast aside all claims from religion and politics to pursue philosophy as a vocation solely to facilitate the removing of quotes from names of sentences…   &lt;br /&gt;   So to make the sort of thing we ought epistemically to pursue, even at personal cost, truth must be something more than mere disquotation. But what can it be? I think that only the correspondence theory is the only one that adequately underwrites the intuition that many of us share that truth is the supreme epistemic good.&lt;br /&gt;       There is a problem with truth as correspondence, however, from a broadly materialist point of view. If truth is a relationship between someone’s belief that something is so and the reality that it is so, then what that means “there is at least one reptile” would not have been a truth during the Jurassic period, unless there was someone in existence during the Jurassic period who had confidence that his or her thought corresponded to the truth “there is at least one reptile.” And unless there is something like a God, we do not know of anything alive during that time that had confidence in the representation, “There is at least one reptile alive now.”&lt;br /&gt;     Because of this, the advocate of a broadly materialist world view may be inclined to accept the idea what can be true false are not states of the person but propositions. These propositions could exist timelessly, but not exist in anyone’s mind. If that were the case then the proposition “There is at least one reptile alive during the Jurassic period” would be a truth that would exist at that time, because it would be true at all times.&lt;br /&gt;This account of propositions is hard to square with some versions of naturalism, according to which everything that exists at some place and time in particular. However, if we waive this requirement, there are still difficulties.  The argument from reason based on mental causation maintains that naturalism cannot explain how one thought can cause another thought in virtue of its content. On this view, how would it be possible for our thought to be related to the truth that our thoughts are about, if our thoughts are completely products of the spatio-temporal-physical world, but the truth of our thought does not exist in any particular place or time. The physical, is supposed to be causally closed according to broadly materialist world-views, and as such nothing outside the physical, whether eternal propositions, or nonphysical souls, can affect what goes on in the physical world.  Because of this, I regard this move to non-spatial propositions as the acceptance of a poisoned pawn, the taking of which will make the next argument, the argument from mental causation, impossible to answer.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/38436816-6018775188787749239?l=dangerousidea2.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://dangerousidea2.blogspot.com/feeds/6018775188787749239/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=38436816&amp;postID=6018775188787749239' title='12 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/38436816/posts/default/6018775188787749239'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/38436816/posts/default/6018775188787749239'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://dangerousidea2.blogspot.com/2007/12/materialism-and-problem-of-truth.html' title='Materialism and the Problem of Truth'/><author><name>Victor Reppert</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/10962948073162156902</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='29' height='32' src='http://bp1.blogger.com/_fbDbFJGRmD8/R9q9gPtFDhI/AAAAAAAAAB8/LZmw1YsTEtE/S220/reppert.jpg'/></author><thr:total>12</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38436816.post-291805632162783299</id><published>2007-12-09T22:39:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2007-12-09T22:40:55.398-08:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='supervenience'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='argument from intentionality'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='intentionality'/><title type='text'>Intentionality and supervenience</title><content type='html'>&lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: 200%;"&gt;&lt;span style="" lang="EN"&gt;III. Intentionality and the Supervenience Strategy&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;   &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: 200%;"&gt;&lt;span style="" lang="EN"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;            &lt;/span&gt;Another very popular view, which has even been accepted by some Christians, is a nonreductive materialist position. On this view, intentional states are not eliminated, they are not reducible to physical states, they are, however, supervenient upon physical states. Mental states are not identical to physical states, but given the state of the physical, there is only one way the mental can be. &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;   &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: 200%;"&gt;&lt;span style="" lang="EN"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;            &lt;/span&gt;Of course, earlier I indicated that supervenience of all non-physical states on physical states is part of what it takes for a world-view to be naturalistic. However, if mental states can be reductively analyzed in terms of physical states, then the supervenience is simply obvious. A difference in B requires a difference in A because, in the final analysis, Bs just &lt;i&gt;are&lt;/i&gt; As.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Again, if the B-states are eliminated from the ontology, then we don’t have to worry about a difference in B that is not guaranteed by a difference in A. However, for many, perhaps most philosophers who believe in a broadly materialist world-view, the reductionist and eliminativist positions are both implausible. For these philosophers, the supervenience relation has a job to do, it explains how it is possible for everything to be in the final analysis physical while at the same time maintaining the irreducibility and the autonomy of the mental realm. &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;   &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: 200%;"&gt;&lt;span style="" lang="EN"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;            &lt;/span&gt;Philosophers often distinguish between weak supervenience and strong supervenience. According to weak supervenience, B-properties weakly superven on A-properties if and only if things that are alike in their A-properties are always alike in their B-properties. What this establishes is a constant conjunction between A-properties and B-properties. It does not really show that there is anything about the A-properties that guarantees that the B-properties will always be the same. Nevertheless, we must remember what caused problems for reductionist accounts of mental states. The physical, I maintained, is incurably indeterminate with respect to propositonal states. Whatever story we tell at the physical level is compatible with a multiplicity of stories at the mental level. This kind of constant conjunction claim, however, explains little. There is, for example, a constant conjunction between increases in the homicide rate in New York City and increases in the rate of ice cream consumption. We could say that the homicide rate supervenes on the rate of ice cream consumption, but we will have explained nothing. We will not have shown that ice cream consumption is responsible for homicides, or vice versa, or whether these are just two unrelated effects of a common cause (an increase in the city’s temperatures). &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;   &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent: 0.5in; line-height: 200%;"&gt;&lt;span style="" lang="EN"&gt;I should add that a good deal of confusion in the discussion of neuroscientific discoveries and their relation to the philosophy of mind often occurs at this point. What neuroscience if often able to do is provide correlations between certain mental states and activity in certain parts of the brain. These are often taken as proof of materialism, but there is no good reason why dualists should not expect these correlations to exist.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Further, it must be emphasized that correlation between mental states and physical states is not the same as identification of mental states with physical states. &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;   &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: 200%;"&gt;&lt;span style="" lang="EN"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;            &lt;/span&gt;Strong supervenience is the claim that B-properties strongly sueprvene on A-properties just in case things that are alike in A-properties must be alike in B-properties. On this view the supervenience isn’t just a brute conjunction, it is necessarily so.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;However, as an attempt to explain anything, this seems inadequate as well. Religious expalnations are often taken to task as being god-of-the-gaps explanations, this just seem to me to be a necessity-of-the-gaps explanation. “Why, if Jones’s beliefs could be 5 or 6 different ways given the physical, or perhaps, given the physical, Jones could be a zombie with no beliefs at all, does Jones have the beliefs he has?” If the answer is “Well, there’s this strong supervenience relationship that exists between the physical and the mental, so it’s necessary, it looks as if we are taken no closer to an explanation as to why Jones has the beliefs he has. &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;   &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: 200%;"&gt;&lt;span style="" lang="EN"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;            &lt;/span&gt;Why does the supervenience relation exist, if it does? It is pure dumb luck? Is it a Leibnizian pre-established harmony set up before the foundation of the world by God? (This might not be naturalistically acceptable).&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Presumably, it is not a physical relation, so why does it exist? Unless there is something about the physical that guarantees that the mental be only one way, the supervenience relation needs to be explained. &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;   &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: 200%;"&gt;&lt;span style="" lang="EN"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;            &lt;/span&gt;There is what James Stump calls a “classic reflexivity problem” for the suprevenience theorist. For supervenience theory, everything is either physical, or supervenes on the physical. So, the supervenience relation is going to have to be either physical or supervene on the physical, if supervenient physicalism is true. But does it. Stump summarizes an argument originally presented by Lynch and Glasgow to contend that the supervenience relation itself cannot be admitted into the supervenient materialism’s ontology, which I have altered slightly for the sake of congruence with previous discussion: &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;   &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.75in; text-indent: -0.25in; line-height: 200%;"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportLists]--&gt;&lt;span style="" lang="EN"&gt;1.&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"&gt;      &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;span style="" lang="EN"&gt;For physicalist, all fact must be materialistically acceptable. That is, th eyare&lt;span style=""&gt;    &lt;/span&gt;facts about physical things, or about things which are ontologically distinct from the physical, but strongly supervene on the physical. &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;   &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.75in; text-indent: -0.25in; line-height: 200%;"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportLists]--&gt;2.&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"&gt;      &lt;/span&gt;&lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;span style="" lang="EN"&gt;There must be some fact—the explanation—in virtue of which B-properties supervene on A-properties; call the S-facts. What kind of facts are S-facts? There are two options for materialistically respectable facts: &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;   &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 1.25in; text-indent: -0.25in; line-height: 200%;"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportLists]--&gt;&lt;span style="" lang="EN"&gt;a)&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"&gt;      &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;span style="" lang="EN"&gt;They themselves could suprevene on A-properties. But then there is an infinite regress problem, for now we have to explain this new supervenience relations, which in turn needs to be explained, and so on &lt;i&gt;ad infinitum&lt;/i&gt;. So this is no good. &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;   &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 1.25in; text-indent: -0.25in; line-height: 200%;"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportLists]--&gt;b)&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"&gt;      &lt;/span&gt;&lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;span style="" lang="EN"&gt;Or, the S-facts could not just be further A-properties, that is, facts about the physical entity. But then these facts do not bridge the explanatory gap betweent he B-facts and the A-facts. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;   &lt;p class="MsoBodyTextIndent2"&gt;&lt;span style="" lang="EN"&gt;Perhaps the supervenience theorist can simply accept the suerpvenience relation as an unexplained brute fact. If so, as Stump suggests, the apparent explanatory advantage of materialism over dualism, based on parsimony, is dissipated. In addition, there are more problems for this position when we come to the problem of mental causation. &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;   &lt;p class="MsoBodyTextIndent2"&gt;&lt;span style="" lang="EN"&gt;Intentionality is more than just a puzzle for naturalism, it is a deep and profound problem distinct from, and as serious as, the “hard problem” of consciousness. Reduction of understood intentional states and propositional intentional states seems to be inherently impossible. Elimination of those states eliminates states essential to the operation of the natural sciences on which the credibility of naturalism is founded. Non-propositional successors to propositional attitudes cannot do the job assigned to them. Supervenient materialism commits the materialist to a materialistically unacceptable relation between the physical and the mental, and, as we shall see, presents serious problems in accounting for mental causation. &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;   &lt;span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;" lang="EN"&gt;Theories of the universe that make the mental basic fact of reality, such as theism, pantheism, or idealism, do not have the problem of unacceptably terminating explanatory chains were mental states. Thus the problem of intentionality provides one good reason for preferring a broadly mentalistic world-view to a broadly materialist world-view. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/38436816-291805632162783299?l=dangerousidea2.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://dangerousidea2.blogspot.com/feeds/291805632162783299/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=38436816&amp;postID=291805632162783299' title='29 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/38436816/posts/default/291805632162783299'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/38436816/posts/default/291805632162783299'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://dangerousidea2.blogspot.com/2007/12/intentionality-and-supervenience.html' title='Intentionality and supervenience'/><author><name>Victor Reppert</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/10962948073162156902</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='29' height='32' src='http://bp1.blogger.com/_fbDbFJGRmD8/R9q9gPtFDhI/AAAAAAAAAB8/LZmw1YsTEtE/S220/reppert.jpg'/></author><thr:total>29</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38436816.post-8378158960600962863</id><published>2007-12-07T11:00:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2007-12-07T11:02:55.039-08:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='elimnative materialism'/><title type='text'>Eliminative materialism</title><content type='html'>&lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: 200%;"&gt;&lt;span style="" lang="EN"&gt;II. Why&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Propositional Attitudes Can’t Be Eliminated&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;   &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: 200%;"&gt;&lt;span style="" lang="EN"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;            &lt;/span&gt;Eliminative materialism is a frequently misunderstood position according to which there are no propositional attititudes. Its primary advocates have been Paul and Patricia Churchland.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;If would be a mistake to say, as some commentators have, that eliminative materialism is the view that there are no mental states. Nor, at least in some significant sense, can it be said that eliminative materialists deny the existence of intentionality.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;What I have described earlier as simple representation will certainly not be denied by eliminative materialists. What the eliminative materialist denies is the existence of &lt;i&gt;propositional attitudes&lt;/i&gt;.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;These would include believing a proposition, doubting a proposition, fearing that a proposition is true, desiring that a proposition be true.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;So it is true that eliminative materialist claims that there are no beliefs. &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;   &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: 200%;"&gt;&lt;span style="" lang="EN"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;            &lt;/span&gt;To be fair, the eliminativist position is somewhat more complex than that. Eliminativism maintains that “belief” and “desire” are not mental states we are directly aware of, as “seeing red” or “feeling sick” would be, but are posits of a theory called “folk psychology.” In the history of science, “folk” theories have been succeeded by scientific theories. Sometimes the scientific theories absorb the “folk” theories in such a way that the “folk” theory is taken to be fundamentally right; just standing in need of some development by the scietific theory. In other cases, such as the move from Ptolemaic astronomy to Copernican, the succeeding theory showed the previous theory to be dead wrong, and the posits of the theory to be nonexistent.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;The Churchlands maintain that when neuroscience “looks under the hood” of the brain it will not find objects in it corresponding to “belief” and “desire.” Hence the right thing for science to do given this state of affairs is to deny the existence of beliefs and desires in much the way present-day science denies the existence of phogiston and ether. &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;   &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: 200%;"&gt;&lt;span style="" lang="EN"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;            &lt;/span&gt;The self-referential rebuttal is pretty obvious. “Come on Paul, you expect me to believe that, Paul?” Or, we could even present an argument that if eliminative materialism were true, no one could possibly know that it was true. &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;   &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.75in; text-indent: -0.25in; line-height: 200%;"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportLists]--&gt;&lt;span style="" lang="EN"&gt;1.&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"&gt;      &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;span style="" lang="EN"&gt;Knowledge is justified, true, belief (plus maybe a fourth condition). &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;   &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.75in; text-indent: -0.25in; line-height: 200%;"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportLists]--&gt;&lt;span style="" lang="EN"&gt;2.&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"&gt;      &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;span style="" lang="EN"&gt;If eliminativism is true, then no one believes that eliminative materialism is true, since there are no beliefs. &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;   &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.75in; text-indent: -0.25in; line-height: 200%;"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportLists]--&gt;&lt;span style="" lang="EN"&gt;3.&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"&gt;      &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;span style="" lang="EN"&gt;Hence, if eliminativism is true, no one knows that eliminativism is true (consequence of 1 and 2). &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;   &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: 200%;"&gt;&lt;span style="" lang="EN"&gt;Here the Churchlands would reply that our standard definitions of knowledge are, of course, laden with folk-psychological assumptions, and when those are overthrown and a new theory based on neuroscience is developed, a fully adequate conception of knowledge will emerge. &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;   &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: 200%;"&gt;&lt;span style="" lang="EN"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;            &lt;/span&gt;Now the promise of successor concepts seems to many people to be, at best, a huge promissory note drawn on future science, and we are told very little about that the successors are actually going to look like. The successor concepts are going to have to do everything for us that we thought propositional attitudes did, except that these will be a more neurophysiologically accurate way of talking about human behavior and will not be propositional states. &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;   &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: 200%;"&gt;&lt;span style="" lang="EN"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;            &lt;/span&gt;Now propositional attitude psychology does a lot of work for us, in everyday life, and in science as well.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Lynne Baker makes this point: &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;   &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.5in; line-height: 200%;"&gt;&lt;span style="" lang="EN"&gt;Suppose I dialed your phone number and said “Would you join us for dinner at our house on Saturday at 7:00?” You replied “yes.” On Saturday, I act in the way I should act if I believed that you were coming to dinner. But if neither of us had any beliefs, intentions, or other states attributed by “that”-clauses, it would me amazing if I actually prepared dinner for you and if you actually showed up.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;   &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: 200%;"&gt;&lt;span style="" lang="EN"&gt;Consider the whole practice of political polling which is very often able to predict the outcome of elections before they occur. Pollsters ask respondents who they intend to vote for, or who they believe is best equipped to deal with health care or terrorism.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;   &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: 200%;"&gt;&lt;span style="" lang="EN"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;            &lt;/span&gt;What is most critical, however, is that if science is what every naturalist I know says that it is, a rational method for discovering the truth, then it we have to be able to know the precise content of the terms and concepts we are using. This is especially true in the area of mathematical reasoning, which is at the heart of physics. We have to be adding, not quadding. The definite integral has to be definite if it is to do the job assigned to it. There has to be some state of the person that recognizes the mathematical content of, say, Maxwell’s Equations (which to me is the propositional attitude of understanding that p), and if there has to be such a state, why should we not call this a propositional attitude. &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;   &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: 200%;"&gt;&lt;span style="" lang="EN"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;            &lt;/span&gt;It seems to me that there is an introspectively accessible state of knowing what one means when one says something. Now it may be that the full and complete content of what we know when we say it is not known to us. For example, I can say “I want a glass of water” without having any idea of the exact chemical composition of water. But there has to be an internally accessible content of the term “water” which will allow me to recognize whether I have been given a glass of water or a glass of coke. Of course there can be errors here, if it turns out that “What he thought was H&lt;sub&gt;2&lt;/sub&gt;O was H&lt;sub&gt;2&lt;/sub&gt;SO&lt;sub&gt;4&lt;/sub&gt;.” But one might be tempted to think that sulfuric acid was water, but it would be unlikely to be tempted by the likelihood that Coca-Cola is water, because Coke doesn’t look at all like water, but sulfuric acid sort of does. All of which suggests to me that we do have internally understood concepts of what we mean by words, and if we didn’t we wouldn’t be able to get through life. I don’t see how you can accept the existence of internally understood concepts of what we mean by words without also accepting propositional attitudes.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;I also fail to see the possibility that further brain-mapping is going to change this situation. &lt;span style=""&gt; &lt;/span&gt;This seems to me to be an insuperable difficulty for eliminative materialism. &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;   &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: 200%;"&gt;&lt;span style="" lang="EN"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;            &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;   &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: 200%;"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--&gt; &lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;   &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: 200%;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;            &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;   &lt;p class="MsoBodyTextIndent2" style="text-indent: 0in;"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--&gt; &lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;   &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--&gt; &lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/38436816-8378158960600962863?l=dangerousidea2.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://dangerousidea2.blogspot.com/feeds/8378158960600962863/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=38436816&amp;postID=8378158960600962863' title='4 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/38436816/posts/default/8378158960600962863'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/38436816/posts/default/8378158960600962863'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://dangerousidea2.blogspot.com/2007/12/eliminative-materialism.html' title='Eliminative materialism'/><author><name>Victor Reppert</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/10962948073162156902</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='29' height='32' src='http://bp1.blogger.com/_fbDbFJGRmD8/R9q9gPtFDhI/AAAAAAAAAB8/LZmw1YsTEtE/S220/reppert.jpg'/></author><thr:total>4</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38436816.post-6527448204312745834</id><published>2007-12-05T12:26:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2007-12-05T12:27:34.251-08:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Materialism'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Van Fraassen'/><title type='text'>Van Fraassen on Materialism</title><content type='html'>&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/38436816-6527448204312745834?l=dangerousidea2.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='related' href='http://webware.princeton.edu/vanfraas/mss/SciencMat.htm' title='Van Fraassen on Materialism'/><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://dangerousidea2.blogspot.com/feeds/6527448204312745834/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=38436816&amp;postID=6527448204312745834' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/38436816/posts/default/6527448204312745834'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/38436816/posts/default/6527448204312745834'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://dangerousidea2.blogspot.com/2007/12/van-fraassen-on-materialism.html' title='Van Fraassen on Materialism'/><author><name>Victor Reppert</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/10962948073162156902</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='29' height='32' src='http://bp1.blogger.com/_fbDbFJGRmD8/R9q9gPtFDhI/AAAAAAAAAB8/LZmw1YsTEtE/S220/reppert.jpg'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38436816.post-1255913293275254689</id><published>2007-12-05T11:39:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2007-12-05T11:43:26.987-08:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Anscombe'/><title type='text'>Debating an Anscombe Defender</title><content type='html'>I've gone a little off my usual procedure by responding to some objections to my arguments from someone who thinks the argument is undermined by Anscombe's non-causal view of reasons is correct, on my original blog,  &lt;a href="http://www.dangerousidea.blogspot.com"&gt;Dangerous Idea&lt;/a&gt; blog. People who have been following from here might be interested in looking at that discussion over there.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/38436816-1255913293275254689?l=dangerousidea2.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://dangerousidea2.blogspot.com/feeds/1255913293275254689/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=38436816&amp;postID=1255913293275254689' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/38436816/posts/default/1255913293275254689'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/38436816/posts/default/1255913293275254689'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://dangerousidea2.blogspot.com/2007/12/debating-anscombe-defender.html' title='Debating an Anscombe Defender'/><author><name>Victor Reppert</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/10962948073162156902</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='29' height='32' src='http://bp1.blogger.com/_fbDbFJGRmD8/R9q9gPtFDhI/AAAAAAAAAB8/LZmw1YsTEtE/S220/reppert.jpg'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38436816.post-1482789240885286541</id><published>2007-11-21T22:13:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2007-11-21T22:20:30.341-08:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='The Argument from Reason'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Dennett'/><title type='text'>Dennett on evolution and the determinacy of meaning</title><content type='html'>&lt;span style="color:#3333ff;"&gt;And why not? Here, I think, we find as powerful and direct an expression as could be of the intuition that lies behind the belief in original intentionality. This is the doctrine Ruth Millikan calls meaning rationalism, and it is one of the central burdens of her important book, Language, Thought, and Other Biological Categories, to topple it from its traditional pedestal (Millikan, 1984. See also Millikan forthcoming) Something has to give. Either you must abandon meaning rationalism--the idea that you are unlike the fledgling cuckoo not only having access, but in having privileged access to your meanings--or you must abandon the naturalism that insists that you are, after all, just a product of natural selection, whose intentionality is thus derivative and hence potentially indeterminate.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;Uh, Dan. If meanings are indeterminate then guess what. It's indeterminate what you mean. No one can possibly determine whether any argument is valid or not, because if, say, it's a categorical syllogism, there's no way to determine whether we've got three terms, four terms, five terms of six terms.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So let's have a look at Dennett's argument.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;1. If naturalism is true, then meaning is indeterminate.&lt;br /&gt;2. Naturalism is true.&lt;br /&gt;Therefore, meaning is indeterminate.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And here's mine.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;1. If naturalism is true, then meaning is indeterminate.&lt;br /&gt;2. Meaning is determinate. (A presupposition of reason and science).&lt;br /&gt;3. Therefore, naturalism is false.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/38436816-1482789240885286541?l=dangerousidea2.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='related' href='http://ase.tufts.edu/cogstud/papers/evolerr.htm' title='Dennett on evolution and the determinacy of meaning'/><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://dangerousidea2.blogspot.com/feeds/1482789240885286541/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=38436816&amp;postID=1482789240885286541' title='14 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/38436816/posts/default/1482789240885286541'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/38436816/posts/default/1482789240885286541'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://dangerousidea2.blogspot.com/2007/11/dennett-on-evolution-and-determinacy-of.html' title='Dennett on evolution and the determinacy of meaning'/><author><name>Victor Reppert</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/10962948073162156902</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='29' height='32' src='http://bp1.blogger.com/_fbDbFJGRmD8/R9q9gPtFDhI/AAAAAAAAAB8/LZmw1YsTEtE/S220/reppert.jpg'/></author><thr:total>14</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38436816.post-4969489728045469604</id><published>2007-11-21T19:24:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2007-11-21T19:26:22.811-08:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='mental representation'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='argument from intentionality'/><title type='text'>Bees, Used Car Salesmen, and Misrepresentation</title><content type='html'>Now if we are working on the level of simple representation, the perhaps some solution to the problem of misrepresentation can be generated. Let us consider, for example the case of bee dances. Bees perform dances which “represent” the positions of flowers in a garden. The bees, based on this information, go out to the garden only to find no flowers, because in the intervening time between the bees’ discovery of the flowers and the time when the bees performed the dance, a child had picked all the flowers and taken them indoors.  We might be able to cash out this fact of misrepresentation in causal terms: there is a normal casual relationship between the bees’ dance and the location of pollinated flowers, so the bees represented flowers in that location, but the representation was incorrect, because the flowers had been picked in the meantime.&lt;br /&gt;            But other kinds of misrepresentation seem more difficult to deal with at the level of simple representation. Let’s consider the kind of misrepresentation that goes on in, say, a used car dealership. Can we really imagine a bee from a competing hive going “sneaking in,” giving a dance which would send the swarm of bees to a place where there are no pollinated flowers, in order to secure the real flowers for its own hive? This kind of misrepresentation seems to require that the fifth-columnist bee, like the used car dealer, know that the dance was misleading, in other words, understand what it is that their own dance and know that it was a misrepresentation. This seems to be beyond the capabilities of bees, and requires a radically different set of abilities.  Can we account for the difference between being sincerely mistaken an lying in terms of causal relationships? I rather doubt it.&lt;br /&gt;            There have, certainly, been causal theories of reference which have been advanced. But these do not suggest that causal relationships alone are sufficient to fix reference.  Consider the following standard description of causal theories of reference.&lt;br /&gt;             This is the wikipedia account of the causal theory of reference&lt;br /&gt;A name's &lt;a title="Reference" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reference"&gt;referent&lt;/a&gt; is fixed by an original act of &lt;a title="Naming" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naming"&gt;naming&lt;/a&gt; (also called a "dubbing" or, by Saul Kripke, an "initial baptism"), whereupon the name becomes a &lt;a title="Rigid designator" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rigid_designator"&gt;rigid designator&lt;/a&gt; of that object. later uses of the name succeed in referring to the referent by being linked to that original act via a &lt;a title="Causality" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causality"&gt;causal chain&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;             In other words, what causation explains, according to this theory, is how references is transmitted once an initial act of naming, an intentional (both in the sense of being intended and in the sense of possessing “aboutness”) is performed. How such actions could be performed in the first place is accounted for in causal terms. It is true, that some have attempted to provide more radical accounts of reference which attempt to stay within the constraints imposed by physicalism; Devitt’s theories are a good example of this. However, I think this attempt has been shown to be a failure in Martin Rice’s essay “Why Devitt Can’t Name His Cat.”&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/38436816-4969489728045469604?l=dangerousidea2.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://dangerousidea2.blogspot.com/feeds/4969489728045469604/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=38436816&amp;postID=4969489728045469604' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/38436816/posts/default/4969489728045469604'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/38436816/posts/default/4969489728045469604'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://dangerousidea2.blogspot.com/2007/11/bees-used-car-salesmen-and.html' title='Bees, Used Car Salesmen, and Misrepresentation'/><author><name>Victor Reppert</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/10962948073162156902</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='29' height='32' src='http://bp1.blogger.com/_fbDbFJGRmD8/R9q9gPtFDhI/AAAAAAAAAB8/LZmw1YsTEtE/S220/reppert.jpg'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38436816.post-888313903572633795</id><published>2007-11-16T11:37:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2007-11-16T11:38:54.447-08:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='propositional content'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='the argument from intentionality'/><title type='text'>Bees and Perspectives</title><content type='html'>BDK: Afterthought: it would be great for antinaturalists to answer Bennett's question. In general, your answer to this question starkly reveals your philosophical stripes. This is all about propositional thought and the like, truth, reference and all that. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;As for what you'd have to add to make bees conscious, or whether bees are already conscious, I have no strong opinion. I think Dretske believes they are conscious. I am agnostic. Do qualia precede propositional contents in evolution? I tend to think so, but am not sure: even leeches might feel little flashes of pains and excitements.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;VR: I think what is needed is the perspective of an agent who sees certain things as the case, and who is introspectively aware of what it means when it says something. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Example: I enter a conversation and misuse a word consistently. The community of language speakers makes a word mean one thing, but I meant something else, and in spite of the sniggers that I got from everyone, I think to myself "But I was using it to mean that." I can recognize two words that sound the same but mean different things, and I can identify two words that mean that same but sound different. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Add to this the perception of necessary relationships that obtain amongst proposition. We have to be people who exist at particular places and times who know that some things exist regardless of place or time. And I see difficulty with that so long as what gives us pieces of information are temporally locatable physical brains and causal connection from those brains to particular states of affairs in the world. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Now, could we solve these problems naturalistically if we could just solve the hard problem of consciousness naturalistically? My answer is that raw feels by themselves aren't going to solve it; we're going to need a connection between consciousness and the mental states involved in rationality.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/38436816-888313903572633795?l=dangerousidea2.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://dangerousidea2.blogspot.com/feeds/888313903572633795/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=38436816&amp;postID=888313903572633795' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/38436816/posts/default/888313903572633795'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/38436816/posts/default/888313903572633795'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://dangerousidea2.blogspot.com/2007/11/bees-and-perspectives.html' title='Bees and Perspectives'/><author><name>Victor Reppert</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/10962948073162156902</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='29' height='32' src='http://bp1.blogger.com/_fbDbFJGRmD8/R9q9gPtFDhI/AAAAAAAAAB8/LZmw1YsTEtE/S220/reppert.jpg'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38436816.post-1918356991926174326</id><published>2007-11-15T11:09:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2007-11-15T11:59:59.291-08:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='propositional content'/><title type='text'>Birds, Bees, and Going Declarative</title><content type='html'>BDK wrote: &lt;span style="color: rgb(153, 51, 153);"&gt;Bees represent where nectar is in the world, communicate this to other bees, which respond appropriately. I frankly don't understand the reaction to imagining that this simple capacity were scaled up in ways I said. Especially if we were to add syntactic operations to the scaled up number of elemental contents. We'd have the roots of more interesting thoughts.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I have been trying to work out what disagreements I have with you. The problem I have here is that to my mind there is a difference between causing action appropriate to someting being the case (causing the bees to go where the nectar is), and declaring it to be the case that the nectar is in such--and-such a place. Science is inherently declarative, and requires understanding. It is in my view tempting, but erroneous, to attribute a declarative character to bee dances and birdsongs.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It seems possible to understand some proposition without having any other propositional attitude. But this seems not possible for the birds and the bees.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/38436816-1918356991926174326?l=dangerousidea2.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://dangerousidea2.blogspot.com/feeds/1918356991926174326/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=38436816&amp;postID=1918356991926174326' title='6 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/38436816/posts/default/1918356991926174326'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/38436816/posts/default/1918356991926174326'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://dangerousidea2.blogspot.com/2007/11/birds-bees-and-going-declarative.html' title='Birds, Bees, and Going Declarative'/><author><name>Victor Reppert</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/10962948073162156902</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='29' height='32' src='http://bp1.blogger.com/_fbDbFJGRmD8/R9q9gPtFDhI/AAAAAAAAAB8/LZmw1YsTEtE/S220/reppert.jpg'/></author><thr:total>6</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38436816.post-542605402193369665</id><published>2007-11-15T11:02:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2007-11-15T11:07:59.759-08:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='propositional content'/><title type='text'>A simple suggestion about propositional attitudes</title><content type='html'>As I see it, the most fundamental propositional attitude is &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;understanding&lt;/span&gt; the proposition. Belief, desire, and the rest are just understanding with affirmation, understanding with the hope that it is true, etc.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/38436816-542605402193369665?l=dangerousidea2.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://dangerousidea2.blogspot.com/feeds/542605402193369665/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=38436816&amp;postID=542605402193369665' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/38436816/posts/default/542605402193369665'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/38436816/posts/default/542605402193369665'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://dangerousidea2.blogspot.com/2007/11/simple-suggestion-about-propositional.html' title='A simple suggestion about propositional attitudes'/><author><name>Victor Reppert</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/10962948073162156902</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='29' height='32' src='http://bp1.blogger.com/_fbDbFJGRmD8/R9q9gPtFDhI/AAAAAAAAAB8/LZmw1YsTEtE/S220/reppert.jpg'/></author><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38436816.post-6203071315842814053</id><published>2007-11-14T13:10:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2007-11-14T13:13:46.669-08:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='causal theories of intentionality'/><title type='text'>Causal theories of reference</title><content type='html'>This is the wikipedia account of the causal theory of reference&lt;br /&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;a name's &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reference" title="Reference"&gt;referent&lt;/a&gt; is fixed by an original act of &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naming" title="Naming"&gt;naming&lt;/a&gt; (also called a "dubbing" or, by &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saul_Kripke" title="Saul Kripke"&gt;Saul Kripke&lt;/a&gt;, an "initial baptism"), whereupon the name becomes a &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rigid_designator" title="Rigid designator"&gt;rigid designator&lt;/a&gt; of that object.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;later uses of the name succeed in referring to the referent by being linked to that original act via a &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causality" title="Causality"&gt;causal chain&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;VR: As you can see the theory is not fully naturalistic. It still leaves the "initial baptism" as an unreduced intentional act. And even the selection of causal chains seems to proceed in relation to our interests.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/38436816-6203071315842814053?l=dangerousidea2.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='related' href='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causal_theory_of_reference' title='Causal theories of reference'/><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://dangerousidea2.blogspot.com/feeds/6203071315842814053/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=38436816&amp;postID=6203071315842814053' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/38436816/posts/default/6203071315842814053'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/38436816/posts/default/6203071315842814053'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://dangerousidea2.blogspot.com/2007/11/causal-theories-of-reference.html' title='Causal theories of reference'/><author><name>Victor Reppert</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/10962948073162156902</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='29' height='32' src='http://bp1.blogger.com/_fbDbFJGRmD8/R9q9gPtFDhI/AAAAAAAAAB8/LZmw1YsTEtE/S220/reppert.jpg'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38436816.post-2784442360257505793</id><published>2007-11-14T10:03:00.001-08:00</published><updated>2007-11-14T10:03:31.232-08:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='argument from intentionality'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='causal theories of intentionality'/><title type='text'>More questions for causal theories</title><content type='html'>In fact, I question I have is how any specification of causal relations can entail the existence of meaning at all. Let us say a bird is hardwired to let out a certain squawk when a something approximately the shape of a hawk is nearby.  There is a regular causal relation between the appearance of a hawk and the occurrence of the squawk. In one sense we can say that the squawk is about the hawk. Something could, of course, touch off the “hawk” signal and the subsequent evasive action without being a hawk. It does not mean that the bird has the ability to distinguish a hawk from various non-hawks.  Expecting fire when one sees smoke is not the same as inferring fire from smoke. We say “smoke means fire,” but what this amounts to is that smoke and fire are constantly conjoined in experience. We quite often experience smoke before we experience fire, but it turns out upon examination of the causal relations that fire causes smoke and not vice-versa. We say “smoke means fire,” but that means that smoke and fire are conjoined in our experience. The “meaning” is imposed by human understanding, not in the world as it is in itself.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/38436816-2784442360257505793?l=dangerousidea2.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://dangerousidea2.blogspot.com/feeds/2784442360257505793/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=38436816&amp;postID=2784442360257505793' title='3 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/38436816/posts/default/2784442360257505793'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/38436816/posts/default/2784442360257505793'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://dangerousidea2.blogspot.com/2007/11/more-questions-for-causal-theories.html' title='More questions for causal theories'/><author><name>Victor Reppert</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/10962948073162156902</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='29' height='32' src='http://bp1.blogger.com/_fbDbFJGRmD8/R9q9gPtFDhI/AAAAAAAAAB8/LZmw1YsTEtE/S220/reppert.jpg'/></author><thr:total>3</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38436816.post-7471851036903264860</id><published>2007-11-14T09:18:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2007-11-14T09:25:35.690-08:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='argument from intentionality'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='causal theories of intentionality'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Blue Devil Knight'/><title type='text'>Blue Devil Knight and those unconscious bee people</title><content type='html'>This tracks back to a discussion we had with BDK on consciousness and intentionality. My question for him is this: could unconscious bee people have evolved science? Could they form hypotheses, perform experiments, interpret the data, and examine the results to see if their hypotheses were confirmed or disconfirmed, adjust their theories to fit the evidence, etc. etc. etc, all of this without consciousness?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Is it just intutional pie-throwing if I suggest that this is just insane? Furthermore, an affirmative answer would make the  hard problem of consciousness harder. Apparently we could do just fine without it, so why do we have it?&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/38436816-7471851036903264860?l=dangerousidea2.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='related' href='http://dangerousidea2.blogspot.com/2007/04/hard-problem-of-rational-inference.html' title='Blue Devil Knight and those unconscious bee people'/><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://dangerousidea2.blogspot.com/feeds/7471851036903264860/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=38436816&amp;postID=7471851036903264860' title='2 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/38436816/posts/default/7471851036903264860'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/38436816/posts/default/7471851036903264860'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://dangerousidea2.blogspot.com/2007/11/blue-devil-knight-and-those-unconscious.html' title='Blue Devil Knight and those unconscious bee people'/><author><name>Victor Reppert</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/10962948073162156902</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='29' height='32' src='http://bp1.blogger.com/_fbDbFJGRmD8/R9q9gPtFDhI/AAAAAAAAAB8/LZmw1YsTEtE/S220/reppert.jpg'/></author><thr:total>2</thr:total></entry></feed>
